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QUOTE (Gary @ 17 Mar 2007, 10:50) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>As has already been mentioned the reason for going "green" and turn things off is to keep your energy bills down. There is no other reason.

Sorry Gary but that really does drive me crazy. regardless of weather it effects global warming or not wouldnt the world be so much nicer if the cities didnt have cars and busses belching soot and smoke in your face. woudnt it be nicer if we had gracefull clean turbines greating our electricity instead of coar fired powerstations.

Weather or not global warming is real or not, why cant we give the environmentalists the benifit of the doubt and use this opertunity to improve the quality of life for the countless generations that will follow us.

People are actually compalining about having to use CFL's insttead of incandescent lightbulbs. modern CFL's get up to brightness in about 4 seconds, they are brighter last longer and are cheaper to run.

sorry i realise this was off subject. but its something that really gets my heart racing.

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QUOTE (alastairq @ 17 Mar 2007, 12:41) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>But, go to a third world nation, where their own simple ambition is to provide electricity to their poverty-stricken population...and hear THEIR tales of woe, about so-callled 'environmentally-concerned' first world nations telling these folk, they CAN have power, but it has to be of the 'wind-turbine' variety, or not at all?
Then see the truth about how costly this approach is, in order to deliver their needs?

In my view, supporting the Environmental lobby in cleaning up the results of our own selfish materialistic nightmare is admirable....but we need to be aware that in doing so, we are also supporting those who have hijacked the whole environmentalist lobby for their own,'personal' and political gain, to the detriment of other less fortunate folk.

Actually the cleaner varieties of fuel are ideally suited to third world nations. particularly africa. they tend to be far more localised forms of power than fossil fuel variaties.

as to supporting people who have hijacked the environmental loby, would you trather support them or the oil companies?

QUOTE (alastairq @ 17 Mar 2007, 12:44) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>to go one further......do 'smoke' units emit fumes that eat the ozone layer?

No you are basically boiling oil not burning it. it will condense on your walls and ceiling.

Peter
 
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