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well ... iv been at the show every day of the 3 days the glasgow show was on - today was the last day and i just had to make some purchases!!!... i hate these shows, i see everything i want and need ... and they are always expensive, but hey it only happens once a year!.

yesterday i saw for the very 1st time the Roco start set that iv read about and seen on the internet...the one with the digitally controlled pantographs, drivers cab lighting, opening doors on the passenger carriages - digitally and get this - co ordinated with sound decoders in the passenger carriages - every one of them!.

i just knew i had to have this set - so off i went to see it again today, i got a great deal on it too - i convinced them that they dont really wanna drive this all the way back to the south of england again ... it wud be better off staying in scotland! ... so with an almost £100 saving on the best price id seen it at elsewhere, there was no way i was letting it go .... and so tonight its in my living room! ... just temporarily set up on the board for my winter n gauge german layout!!!.

well theres lots to learn, in typical austrian/german style, lots of booklets and instructions on the set iteslf and the in and outs of the roco-maus 3.

iv attached some pics for ya and lata, once i get some co-ordination of the 19 digital functions of this train, ill make a lil movie to post onto youtube!

enjoy the pics - an i got some more show pics to post too in the events section!


the start set top layer in box


2nd layer in box.


the track laid out on my board and the transformer, amplifier and roco maus 3.


the elok e10


the 1st class passenger carriage - all digital functions inc sound!


the 2nd class passenger carriages - all digital functions including sound! i noticed the very nice close coupling - v unlike hornby!


pressing one of the 19 function keys bring the coaches to life - all the interior lights come on and u can see the fully fitted out interiors!


with the push of another few buttons, the drivers cab lights up, the pantograph rises along with the sound of the pneumatic mechanism and the carriage doors open - with appropriate clunking sounds ... not all together but staggered like in real life to allow the passengers to board!


and we are ready for departure now, so a few button presses, the drivers cab light goes out, the guard makes a departure announcement and the doors are all closed - in a staggered manner with the guards door closed last of all followed by a whistle to signal the driver that the train is ready. the fans speed up, the air compressor turns off and the train begins to move! - its all so life like and busy!.
anything else just seems lifeless and dead after playing with this!.

its got great play value and will go on a hi level shelf to amuse visitors!. i dont have space for ho - hence the n layout will start soon - but this sure is a lotta fun! hope u liked the pics!
 

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thx neil - im a salesmans dream - talk digital functions that make things happen visually and its sold to me!. lol. i actually luv it, its been making me laugh all night playing with it. its silly and yet its fun and realistic in a funny kinda way too. but the model that they fitted all this gadgetry to has stunned me a bit - iv only ever had hornby OO gauge models - they seem like toys now after looking at the fine detail on this model - its in a different class/category of build/quality compared to hornby!.
so yes, it was expensive but in my mind, its made me very happy, im having lots of fun playing with it - so worth it? a huge definitely!. roll on the next one and some extra passenger carriages for it!
 

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That's seriously cool stuff. It's a pity it's so expensive but it sure looks like a lot of fun.

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hi agian david, i agree its amazing what "value" digital can put on a model railway!. - im hoping that as this kind of technology becomes more widespread, it ll come down in price too and eventually become the new technical standard in times to come. (in a similiar way that flat screen tv, recordable dvd, etc has)

im still learning about it and when im confident i can operate the train in a nice "makes sense" pattern ... ill make a youtube video for you all to enjoy! ... altho i might have to email you outside of here! ... one of the moderators (in france?!) doesnt like my pics/postings!
 

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QUOTE (db ice 3 @ 23 Feb 2009, 09:33) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>hi agian david, i agree its amazing what "value" digital can put on a model railway!. - im hoping that as this kind of technology becomes more widespread, it ll come down in price too and eventually become the new technical standard in times to come. (in a similiar way that flat screen tv, recordable dvd, etc has)

im still learning about it and when im confident i can operate the train in a nice "makes sense" pattern ... ill make a youtube video for you all to enjoy! ... altho i might have to email you outside of here! ... one of the moderators (in france?!) doesnt like my pics/postings!
That would be the forum administrator. I'm sure he likes your pictures however it would be preferable if they were resized to a max of 800pxls. The reason is that some people with smaller monitors have difficulty with larger pictures as they have to scroll continuously from left to right and to help those people it is preferable to have smaller pictures. Some photo hosting sites do resize pictures automatically such as photobucket.

Look forward to seeing your clips.

cheers

Neil
 

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Roco is now the first to accompany the merits of DCC in all its forms in its sets. There is supposedly a shimms wagon, carrying steel rolls, its telescopic doors open and close digitally too. I am not sure if it is out yet.
If the E-Lok would've been a steamer I too would be tempted.
Looking forward to its video clips, enjoy it.

One thing tough, when you mean sound in the coaches, they have put speakers in all 3? or is the sound of the opening/closing of doors coming from the E-lok?

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Thanks for posting the pictures and I am looking forward to the video!

I would probably have ordered the set too had the loco been a steamer, or even an interesting looking diesel (I have heard there are one or two about somewhere......
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hi ebaykal - yes you are correct about the wagons with the telescoping hoods. they are being released as a set of 3 with motorised hoods and sound decoders so you will get the motor and squealing sounds as the hoods open - on all 3 wagons!.

all 3 passenger carriages contain a sound chip in each one. when the doors are opening or closing, you hear the sound jumping around from carriage to carriage - synchronised with the actual doors opening or closing. it seems they did this because like on a real train the slam doors dont open and close in a all at exactly the same time, they are staggered between the coaches. so as the doors open/close on each coach u get the open/slam sound and it jumps back and forward!. also the coach with the guards office always is the last door to close ... then a few seconds after that last door closes, u get the blow of a short whistle!.

the coaches can be run with a different loco this way or even independantly from each other as they have their own sound decoders and actuators inside them so you dont need to run this train in the supplied format - good forward thinking!

its all very theatrical and funny/amusing/amzing to watch. im sure eventually the novelty will wear off but its fun right now!. im going to have a narrow shelf on my living room wall along the entire length and put this train on that ... a little station maybe and some lights on it!. but i really need to be getting a move on with my n layout which seems to have come to a halt at the moment!
 

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That's an incredible set, I've just checked the price and over here it retails at 879 Euros. Further electric locos with working pantographs can be bought for 453 Euros!

An incredible set but an incredible price, still hope you have fun with it, you seem to be doing, best of luck.

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QUOTE (billericaybill @ 23 Feb 2009, 12:44) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>awesome stuff ! Anyone any idea how the doors work ?
Andrew

QUOTE (clive hayward @ 23 Feb 2009, 13:12) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>That's an incredible set, I've just checked the price and over here it retails at 879 Euros. Further electric locos with working pantographs can be bought for 453 Euros!

An incredible set but an incredible price, still hope you have fun with it, you seem to be doing, best of luck.

regards

Clive

well 1st of all the video of it in action - please excuse the long gaps between events - thats me reading from a check list of 19 digital functions - not all of which im using in this video! ... u need 2 people to make a great video of this train, 1 to film, the other to perform the functions in the correct sequence lol!
i did my best on my own!

a description of whats happening in the video!:-

0.03 the driver in his cab (yes he is really in there!) switches on his cab light to get the train ready!
0.06 the air compressor starts up.
0.15 the rear pantograph is raised by the compressed air!
0.28 air compressor shuts down.
0.34 the loco electric systems are energized.
0.42 the station announcement system is played.
0.54 the carriage doors open ready for passenger boarding
1.07 the carriage doors begin to "slam" closed - notice the sounds! after the guard has closed his own door (the last door) he blows his whistle!
1.20 the driver turns out his cab light.
1.24 the driver turns on his headlights.
1.32 the brakes are released (sound) the fans speed up as power is applied and the train begins to move!
1.56 notice the switched on lights inside the passenger carriages as the train passes - on a sunny day these can be digitally switched off!
1.58 the train has to stop quickly. hear the brakes being applied!
2.03 the fans slow down in the e-lok as the energy is reduced.
2.25 the air compressor comes on and the passenger doors are opened.
2.41 the train onboard conductor asks passenger to exit the train.
2.50 the doors close again.
3.05 the 1st pantograph is lowered and the other one raised for driving in opposite direction.
3.13 the drivers rear cab light is turned out.
3.21 the e-lok fans speed up as energy is increased then the train starts to move.
3.52 the carriage doors are opened.
4.00 the e-lok energy is turned off.
4.08 driver turns on his cab light to get ready to leave.
4.10 the air compressor turns on.
4.21 driver lowers the pantograph.
4.33 carriage doors are closed.
4.45 air compressor is turned off.
4.51 the driver turns off his cab light.
5.00 the driver turns off the loco tail lights.

hope u enjoyed that, its not accurate but it gives an idea of what the train can do!. ill get better and quicker but its hard to memorise all 19 functions! - i keep having to refer to the chart in the book! lol

roco start set in action!

roco digital start set in action

hi andrew, i have no idea how the doors open/close on the passenger carriages - roco supplies a service sheet for the carriages and there is a mechanism, a motor and a sound decoder in each carriage. i suppose its all co-ordinated together and this is the result!

clive, do you know the roco model numbers for the other roco locos with digital functions ie pantographs and sound? i didnt know there were other locos too that had this function ... uh oh- this is very bad news - i dont model ho at all and now i might start buying more of it!!!. maybe ud better not tell me - but then, id really like to know! lol
 

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MAGIC !

Thanks for the film. I cannot recall where I have seen it but some other chap who has bought the same set had the roof of one of the carriages removed, inside was quite scary, too complicated.

Thanks again

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Thanks for the video, very impressive indeed.

Here's a link to other Roco locos with working pantos (all SNCF):

Roco locos

hope it works if not go to train-modelisme.com, click locomotives, then click locos avec pantos motorises.

regards

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QUOTE (clive hayward @ 23 Feb 2009, 16:23) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Thanks for the video, very impressive indeed.

Here's a link to other Roco locos with working pantos (all SNCF):

Roco locos

hope it works if not go to train-modelisme.com, click locomotives, then click locos avec pantos motorises.

regards

Clive

thanks for the link clive - it worked a treat - i didnt realise that roco had such an extensive rolling stock of locos esp french outlines - and with sound and working pantos - amazing!.
 

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The Roco movie which was discussed here earlier this month has clips of the working sliding covers on the steel wagon and a clip of the door opening mechanism with the roof off.

I'll be in Austria during the summer. I wonder how long my credit card will remain unassaulted?

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QUOTE (neil_s_wood @ 23 Feb 2009, 21:47) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Would it be servo motors that they use for the doors. When Trix/Maerklin did the pantographs on theirs they used piezo motors what ever they are. There are short films on the Maerklin website of this.
Are they not those tiny motors as used in camera shutters & so forth ?

Thanks for the report & clips - it would be great if they release extra coaches for the set. Not too sure of the choice of loco though.
 
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