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Johns 7mm Workbench

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I thought I'd start a topic since I haven't done so for quite some time. A few months ago I had a "road to Damascus" moment while perusing Dapols upcoming offerings. I noticed the Class 08 and after a bit of a think I sat up with a jolt when I realised that the loco is actually affordable. My conventional wisdom until that time was that 7mm model prices are beyond me. I did some more research and found that wagon kits and RTR are also reasonable, particularly for what you are getting. These models are not just scaled up 4mm models they feature detail that can only be dreamed of in 4mm.

So, I took the plunge and put my 4mm collection up for sale, from which I have taken in a considerable sum - enough to fund my 7mm purchases.

I'll share some of my model experiences here, after all we can't let Rob monopolise the section now can we.

First, we'll start with some basic models, Private Owner wagons. I have three, one from Dapol, a Parkside kit and finally a Lionheart RTR model. Of the three, the Lionheart is the best.

This is the Dapol RTR wagon. I wasn't terribly impressed with what was below the solebars, brakes miles away from the wheels and sloppy wheels, so I upgraded the wagon with RCH brakes and sprung axleguards using Bill Bedford kits. As far as I can tell the body is good, although I daresay purists will be able to find fault.



Next, a wagon built from a Parkside kit. This would be a good starter since it is relatively straightforward to assemble and comes with wheels, bearings, couplings and sprung buffers. Checking my archive I realised I don't have a picture of the pristine completed wagon:



Note that I made a end door hinge from a piece of brass tube and scrap strip.

Finally, a Lionheart RTR wagon:



Really excellent, free running and a die cast underframe so it has weight.

Of course, being me, I can't leave things like. The era I've chosen is early 60s so PO wagons would be in a pretty decrepit state by then. I've weathered them thus:







The process is a lengthy one and quite exhausting.

First, I used a fiberglass pen to fade the lettering and body colour. Next I masked the bodies and sprayed black patches for the number, bottom door indicator and tare. For the Parkside Charlesworth wagon this was a mistake because, to my horror, when I removed the masking tape, much of the lettering and paint came with it - a poor do.

I used aged concrete for the natural wood planks.

If anyone s moved to take this job on, get yourself some black patch transfers - far easier.

In preparation for transfers, I sprayed a coat of gloss varnish on the bodies.

Next I applied P numbers, vee and Tare using Fox transfers.

The white stripe denoting end door was very difficult and I eventually gave up trying to get the transfer to work. I painted it instead which involved a massive amount of masking tape. I did have some success with a paint pen, but mine is old and blobby.

After all this was dry, I sprayed on some flat varnish.

The fun stuff next. Using my airbrush I sprayed on a light coat of dirt. I covered the underneath and solebars and a short way up the body. This was followed by a light coat of black in the same place. This really does tend to bring out detail.

With the paint dry, I moved on to powders.

I started with rust, coating the metal parts, W irons, springs, iron fittings on solebar, buffers, strapping and rubbing it down with an old brush (don't use a good one, this really wrecks brushes). Next I applied burnt umber powder (dirt) to tone down the rust. Finally I used black powder to bring everything together.

I used a fiber pen to bring out bare metal on the buffer heads. I used a silver pencil to highlight the door banger end which would have been bare metal.

I didn't neglect the interior. I started by using my airbrush to spray aged concrete on the bottom and sides. I then used pretty much the same procedure as described above to try to represent a natural wood but abused interior.

More to come.

John
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Cheers Rob, hoping for some stimulating discussion.

John
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Back in January I "finally" received my Dapol Class 08. I had originally ordered the "sound on board" but this option received lackluster reviews so I switched to DC only, intending to fit better DCC sound later.





Despite being a steam fan, this loco has always been a favourite of mine. The model is stunning and is far more than simply a scaled up 4mm model. The running on DC is excellent. It ran slowly and surely on low power and the gearing is quite low. Despite all lamps being active, on DC, you only get directional lamps. Happily there is no red lamp to come on at the rear, which is correct unless the loco is running light.

Cab doors open and there is full cab detail. The bonnet unclips to reveal the circuit board.

Somewhat later I ordered, received and fitted a sound system. I got this from Digitrains. Decoder is Zimo MX644D with sound project ZS08Ad by Paul Chetter. I ordered a LokSound speaker (which sounds pretty good I have to say) in error and will order a Zimo 3D speaker soon. With this you get all the sounds you can wish for.

There is a cab light and shunting lights (red and white above the buffer beam).

For train code, I will use oil lamps. I don't think 'lectric lights were allowed for this in the early 60s.

John
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Nice John, we have all switched to Dinghams as a club.
I think the 21pin Zimo makes very nice realistic sound.
When I was doing 4mm, I used Kadee and was starting to convert to scale heads because they looked much better. I've seen Dingham and they probably come closest to the prototype of all the systems out there. However, I don't like magnets and decoupled the Kadees with a bamboo skewer. Not sure if Dingham can be used manually.

For 7mm, I am sticking to 3 link/screw link for the moment. I need to make some tools for coupling and I'll assess the ease and practicability of that.

BTW, nothing was ever automatic in the prototype and always required a man to intervene in the coupling and uncoupling. For that reason I don't see the hand of God, even if it is 12":Foot being all that unrealistic.

John
QUOTE (Brossard @ 7 Feb 2017, 13:52) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>When I was doing 4mm, I used Kadee and was starting to convert to scale heads because they looked much better. I've seen Dingham and they probably come closest to the prototype of all the systems out there. However, I don't like magnets and decoupled the Kadees with a bamboo skewer. Not sure if Dingham can be used manually.

For 7mm, I am sticking to 3 link/screw link for the moment. I need to make some tools for coupling and I'll assess the ease and practicability of that.

BTW, nothing was ever automatic in the prototype and always required a man to intervene in the coupling and uncoupling. For that reason I don't see the hand of God, even if it is 12":Foot being all that unrealistic.

John

I've been using a length of 'hook-shaped' wire mounted in the handle of an old paintbrush to gently lift the 'loop' side of the Dinghams which I have fitted for uncoupling.


Regards,

Cameron(Kiwionrails)
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Good info Cameron. I'll keep that in mind. Your tool is similar to that used for 3 link. Dinghams can be used for 7mm I believe.

John
QUOTE (kiwionrails @ 7 Feb 2017, 15:34) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I've been using a length of 'hook-shaped' wire mounted in the handle of an old paintbrush to gently lift the 'loop' side of the Dinghams which I have fitted for uncoupling.


Regards,

Cameron(Kiwionrails)

As John suggests I did something similar to you using a cheap propelling pencil with the lead removed for 3 links but in practice I find it a bit flimsy.

A couple of weeks ago I went along to a local 7mm test track to run some of my stock. When I was struggling having not taken anything to manipulate the 3 links along with me one of the guys loaned me a long pair of tweezers which I found perfect for connecting them. I have subsequently ordered a couple of pairs from China via eBay one pair was 99p and the other £1.20 both included postage from China. How they do it I have no idea but one of the pairs has arrived already.

Although I haven't tried it yet they certainly feel sturdy enough.
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Someone on another forum developed a coupling/uncoupling tool that looks like a key. Brass tube with two pieces of brass strip forming a slot. Put the center link in the slot and twist. Seems a great idea so I nicked the photos. I can't post them here for copyright reasons though. I intend to make a couple at some point.

John
Look forward to that and your opinion on how well it works. It is on my rountuit list.

John
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So, over the last while I've been weathering stock:

Parkside ex LNER Toad E:



Slaters ex LNER Toad D:



I built this van as vacuum fitted. Resource material I have indicates that most LNER built Toad D were fitted. Note the red stand pipe. When BR built almost the identical design, most were through piped, indicated by white stand pipes.

Dapol BR fitted open, Hybar:



I've added an instanter coupling link.

Dapol BR unfitted open:



Curiously (to me), although Morton braked, brake shoes were only on one side.

I had a go at making the floor of both wagons look like weathered/distressed wood:



The wagon started with a cream floor and sides. I airbrushed a light coat of concrete (kind of a dark cream) first. I then airbrushed some dirt and then some black. Not too much.
I then brushed on and rubbed in dirt and black on individual planks to try to show the different shades.

John
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I do like the weathered effect you've achieved on those John!
I should send you some of my stuff to 'dirty up'


Regards,

Cameron(Kiwionrails)
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Thanks Cam, a bit of airbrush and lots of powder. I look as though I've down't pit after a weathering session.

John
QUOTE (Brossard @ 13 Feb 2017, 17:16) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Thanks Cam, a bit of airbrush and lots of powder. I look as though I've down't pit after a weathering session.

John

Cheers John

At least it gives you a subject to work from when painting and weathering figures!!


Regards,

Cameron(Kiwionrails)
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I could just get myself 3D printed.

John
QUOTE (Brossard @ 13 Feb 2017, 18:13) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I could just get myself 3D printed.

John

Your wish......... http://www.modelu3d.co.uk/

Regards,

Cameron(Kiwionrails)
Just the thing I was thinking of Cam. Must get some of those ordered.

John
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Another loco, this time the BTH Class 15 from Little Loco Company:





Very impressive. First impression is the weight! There's a bag containing etched plates and a decal sheet so I'll need to have a sit down to figure all that out.

Everything works as advertised when power is applied. I got the sound on board version with Zimo/Paul Chetter sound.

The default mode is heavy load and momentum setting is high - getting the loco moving then cutting power, it wants to keep going...and going. There's also a light load mode selected by a function key. In this mode the loco stops fairly quickly.

Marker lights are individually switched using function keys. As pictured it is coded for the Royal Train, so will have to fix that.

Top marks!

John
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