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Now, will they go ahead and build the complete set of four Scottish preserved locomotives that some of us remember so fondly in operation in the 50s and 60s? A good Caley 123 (and they know how to build a 4-2-2) would be delightful and as irresistible as the Big Goods, and 'Glen Douglas' not far behind for some of us. (For no particular reason, I find 'Gordon Highlander' less appealing). I can't remember who it was scolded me here on MRF some years ago for suggesting that Scottish prototypes might be desirable and marketable, but from what I know of Rapido, they have done their homework and will do well with these.

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With a bit of creative marketing, "Gordon Highlander" may be a likely prospect. Granted the GNSR itself is not widely modelled, but the class was long-lived and, with a bit of ingenuity, could be made to represent more than one class of locomotive.

Firstly, a model of the F Class could be made as a GNSR locomotive in lined black (as it was in pre-grouping days), LNER lined black, LNER plain black, British Railways lined black with either "British Railways" or the cycling lion on the tender, and GNSR lined green (as preserved).

Secondly, and here's where it gets interesting, with a modification to shorten the smokebox (about the only difference between the two classes) it could represent the GNSR V Class which, in addition to the above liveries (although none were preserved, the V Class carried GNSR green in pre-grouping days), it could also be marketed in SECR and Southern guise (a nice tie-in with Hornby's H Class) as a batch of the GNSR V Class were sold to the SECR when the GNSR found itself unable to pay the builders for them.

So what about it? Satisfy Scottish and South of England modellers at the same time.
 

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Now, will they go ahead and build the complete set of four Scottish preserved locomotives ...
If the market demand holds up, it is likely that most of the UK's preserved locos will get a model, what with so many brands now competing. Just don't expect it to happen in any timely or orderly fashion...

Surely there are more than 4 preserved locos from Scotland's railway industry? There's a plinthed 0-4-0T industrial type sitting in a museum in Edinburgh to add to that number, for a start. And some of the lovely items that were scrapped could use a model too.
 

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Surely there are more than 4 preserved locos from Scotland's railway industry?
Yes, but unfortunately not that many more. Probably the most obvious candidate in those that have been preserved, other than the well known four, would be Caledonian Railway 0-4-4T No. 419. Otherwise I think we would have to hope that someone produces a few models of the longer lived Scottish locomotives, such as Pickersgill's Caledonian 60 class 4-6-0, his two 4-4-0 classes, and Macintosh's Dunalastair IV, all of which lasted into BR days. The Highland Railway's W Class, a small 0-4-4-T, another one that lasted into BR days, would be nice - in appearance not unlike a Southern O2 Class, but a bit smaller. And if the proposed new build of a Highland Railway Ben gets off the ground, a model of Ben Alder could be a definite possibility (another class that lasted into BR days).

A North British Atlantic would be nice too, although they had all disappeared before WWII was over. Magnificent looking engines, particularly in LNER green.
 

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The onging oddity, and a Scottish based loco as well, is that no one has done the K4 2-6-0. If someone did the CR Single then a new T9 (no traction drivers) would be a useful companion so that the CR123 + LSWR 120 headed railtours could be portrayed to the same standard.
 

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Surely there are more than 4 preserved locos from Scotland's railway industry? There's a plinthed 0-4-0T industrial type sitting in a museum in Edinburgh to add to that number, for a start. And some of the lovely items that were scrapped could use a model too.
I was really just thinking of the four that were restored and placed in operation in the 50s and 60s. Many of us can remember seeing them, and somehow that makes them especially desirable as models. Unlike the working engines at Bo'ness, they came back and have gone again. Mostly, I was thinking that it is an interesting marketing opportunity to present them as a group. I have a special affection for the Big Goods, having travelled behind it from Inverness to Forres in 1965, and then seeing it in Shefford when they were making 'Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines'. My one encounter with no. 123 in steam was at Dundee West station - not sure when.
 

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Now, will they go ahead and build the complete set of four Scottish preserved locomotives that some of us remember so fondly in operation in the 50s and 60s? A good Caley 123 (and they know how to build a 4-2-2) would be delightful and as irresistible as the Big Goods, and 'Glen Douglas' not far behind for some of us...
I more than half expected Rapido to go for one or more of the famous singles after the Stirling single. But it didn't win enormous sales: to the chagrin of some only the GNR service condition 'big tender' version was viable, no 'preservation condition' tender was produced. It's a lovely machine in action, and a competent load hauler withal.

It's a Glen I would like; had no hesitation in purchasing the very sweet J36 that Hornby produced, despite its operational patch being 300 miles from my chosen location, comfortably the best RTR OO 0-6-0 to date. (I have decided on substitution in my layout operation; when a pre-group 0-6-0 design is booked on a turn, the 'home' locos will be substituted by an equivalent pre-group class half the time, just to give them a run out. In like manner when I buy a Caley 0-6-0, it will substitute for a LMR 3F or 4F on transfer freight. I will do the same with the Glen, it can stand in for the last 4-4-0 type operating on my patch, the D16/3, happily also the recipient of an excellent model from Hornby.)

...I can't remember who it was scolded me here on MRF some years ago for suggesting that Scottish prototypes might be desirable and marketable...
That was ye olde style 'hair shirt' thinking persisting into the era of production in China, when quite frankly 'everything' became possible in RTR OO. We are coming to the end of that of course, time to move production to the next low cost location...
 

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Oh dear, well I always like to support new entrants and hope they are good enough, so a yellow Highland 103 would be a delightful addition to the layout as I supposed circa 1962 it got around a bit on the TV series and therefore it is a valid loco, even if not well what the heck anyway, I like it.
Only problem is how much?
 

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Just to follow up on the NBR Atlantics you also get a GCR atlantic as this was the origin of the NBR version albeit that the GCR version had a smaller diameter boiler but they lasted into BR days just about and were well regarded in early days they went everywhere on the GCR network of through services - bring it on Rapido!
 
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