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I have just returned to n gauge modelling after having a stroke,and I'm semi pleased with what I bought,I bought a Graham Farish Jubilee and what a fine model it is,also a Jinty tank loco,and a V2, 5 Graham Farish BR Mk1's and 4 Dapol Gresley coaches and 10 items of freight stock.

Now the disapointments,the BR Mk1 are still without interiors,I can remember buying them when Graham Farish first bought them out,then they were the cats whiskers but surely the're not now.

The Dapol Gresleys are out of this world compared to the Mk 1's, the only trouble is they wont't couple to the Graham Farish Loco's due the coupling hights being different, the ones on the loco's are higher than the ones on the coaches, I got round this by using a MK1 between the loco's and the Gresleys which kind of spoils things.

Now the V2 is useless it wont pull the skin off a rice pudding,it slips with 4 coaches ,even the Jinty will haul more. I bought it to haul the Dapol Coaches but it won't. I think the V2 is £72.00 down the drain,
I now wish I had bought another Jubilee instead.

I have al,so on order 5 Graham Farish Stanier coaches and a Graham Farish Standard 3 Tank loco.which are due out later this year hopefully.

Michael Hendle
 

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QUOTE (mike hendle @ 6 Jun 2008, 14:15) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have just returned to n gauge modelling after having a stroke,and I'm semi pleased with what I bought,I bought a Graham Farish Jubilee and what a fine model it is,also a Jinty tank loco,and a V2, 5 Graham Farish BR Mk1's and 4 Dapol Gresley coaches and 10 items of freight stock.

Now the disapointments,the BR Mk1 are still without interiors,I can remember buying them when Graham Farish first bought them out,then they were the cats whiskers but surely the're not now.

The Dapol Gresleys are out of this world compared to the Mk 1's, the only trouble is they wont't couple to the Graham Farish Loco's due the coupling hights being different, the ones on the loco's are higher than the ones on the coaches, I got round this by using a MK1 between the loco's and the Gresleys which kind of spoils things.

Now the V2 is useless it wont pull the skin off a rice pudding,it slips with 4 coaches ,even the Jinty will haul more. I bought it to haul the Dapol Coaches but it won't. I think the V2 is £72.00 down the drain,
I now wish I had bought another Jubilee instead.

I have al,so on order 5 Graham Farish Stanier coaches and a Graham Farish Standard 3 Tank loco.which are due out later this year hopefully.
Hello Mike and welcome to the forum!

I can understand the frustration when a model doesn't live up to the standard expected, especially if it doesn't live up to the price!!

Dapol is a fairly new manufacturer and so they don't have ancient designs still in their catalogue like Farish clearly do. They've really pioneered getting the technology such as flywheels and close coupling that the rest of the N world has been enjoying for years into the UK market and low-and-behold Farish have been forced to raise their game to compete which is great for modellers. The trick is to spot the re-released old bangers which I suppose takes experience.

Regarding the V2, it's a tender mounted motor? Can this motor be replaced if its so feeble or you could try adding more weight to the tender to enhance the adhesion of the driving wheels? Lead shot or adhesive lead strips under the coal? A quick search on google for "farish V2" led me to a site suggesting that they're very prone to split gears which would weaken motive power somewhat...

I assume the new Dapol coaches run with minimal friction or some axle adjstment could be made to these? If they're anything like my Roco coaches then they will glide away at the slightest touch with a finger!

Fortunately in European N scale there is an online database www.spurweite-n.de that lists almost every continental model made and people leave reviews for the models which are very useful. Also past prices reached on eBay are listed which gives a ballpark figure for the value 'the market' places on an item. This helps particularly not just those who buy second hand but due to the nature of N scale often models are announced for one year and that is the only chance to get that model in that livery so even if one intends to only buy new if the model is out of production/was made years ago then fighting it out on eBay or checking resellers websites is the only way. I don't know if such a database exists for UK N gauge but it would be useful if it did!
 

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Some of the Farish Mk.1s have interiors (the BCK, FK, RMB, SK & TSO), others don't (the BG, BSK, CK, RFO & RU), though to be fair the BG in real life doesn't have much of an interior. The BG, BCK, RMB and SK are directly inherited from the old Farish range, the others were new variations added by Bachmann so only 2 out of the 5 new patterns have interiors which is disappointing. The Bachmann printing is to a higher standard and density to the Farish, however, the new Mk.1 Pullmans are to a much higher standard altogether with separately moulded windows and highly detailed underframes and ends.
 

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Hi Mike,

Goedel is right a little more weight in the tender might help with traction, i have found weight sold as fish tank weights in your local petshop/aquarium used for holding down plants help and are cheap.
 

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QUOTE (upnick @ 11 Jun 2008, 20:04) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi Mike,

Goedel is right a little more weight in the tender might help with traction, i have found weight sold as fish tank weights in your local petshop/aquarium used for holding down plants help and are cheap.

Isn't the V2 a loco-mounted motor?
 

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QUOTE (Edwin @ 12 Jun 2008, 07:28) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Isn't the V2 a loco-mounted motor?
Hello Edwin,

Alas no, that bit of technology still hasn't made it across the Channel for tender locomotives for some reason. Even Dapol's latest Q? steam locomotive is tender driven I think...

Someone correct me if I'm wrong though!
 

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QUOTE (goedel @ 12 Jun 2008, 12:23) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hello Edwin,

Alas no, that bit of technology still hasn't made it across the Channel for tender locomotives for some reason. Even Dapol's latest Q? steam locomotive is tender driven I think...

Someone correct me if I'm wrong though!

Kettles aren't my thing, but I think I know the following:

- All the Poole-developed Farish tender locomotives re-released after the Bachmann takeover were and still are loco drive.

- The first new design of Bachmann Farish tender loco was the V2, with inauthentic skirts between boiler and running board to conceal the drive, particularly obvious on the LNER green version.

- Possibly in response to criticism, Bachmann Farish have adopted tender drive for the Jubilee, much better received I believe.

- The Dapol Q1 has a tender motor driving the loco wheels via cardan shaft through the cab, as does the Dapol 9F and the new Ixion Manor.

- The Peco Collett has tender drive.
 

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QUOTE (Edwin @ 12 Jun 2008, 15:41) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Kettles aren't my thing, but I think I know the following:

- All the Poole-developed Farish tender locomotives re-released after the Bachmann takeover were and still are loco drive.

- The first new design of Bachmann Farish tender loco was the V2, with inauthentic skirts between boiler and running board to conceal the drive, particularly obvious on the LNER green version.

- Possibly in response to criticism, Bachmann Farish have adopted tender drive for the Jubilee, much better received I believe.

- The Dapol Q1 has a tender motor driving the loco wheels via cardan shaft through the cab, as does the Dapol 9F and the new Ixion Manor.

- The Peco Collett has tender drive.
I don't know much in N but wasn't the collett mentioned for not having driving power like the Graham Farish V2?
Ben
 

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QUOTE (Edwin @ 12 Jun 2008, 15:41) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Kettles aren't my thing, but I think I know the following:
Thanks Edwin, I stand corrected!

It's a shame BachGrafar couldn't make the design work properly as some European manufacturers have such as Minitrix. There is no reason why directly powering the driving wheels by mounting the engine in the boiler with sufficient adhesive weight built into the design should not provide plenty of traction.
 

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Hi,

Sorry I haven't replied before but I have had a bit of a bad week health wise.

Re the Graham Farish V2 the motor is in the loco,same as the Jinty,the Jubillee has the motor in the tender, the Jubillee and the Jinty 0 6 0 tank loco wiil pull any thing,it's just the V2 that wont and I can't find any where on it to add extra weight.

MIKE hENDLE
 
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