[Doug]

I look at the Liliput models of the armoured scout cars that were used on the German Eastern Front during the latter parts of WWII.

Click here for the review.

What do you think of this sort of model? Let us know.

 

[neil_s_wood]

Very nice Doug, I might well be tempted to get a set of the camouflaged ones. Liliput do a nice range of military gear. I was also interested in the flak wagens to go on my D-Zug. I will be interested to hear the follow up on weight.

Excellent review.

 

[Brian Considine]

Interesting review Doug & thanks for producing it.

I saw these on the Bachmann Stand at Nurnberg a few years ago & thought that they were facinating & wanted a set, just because they were very different.

Regarding the pick ups - as they have NEM pockets you could consider using the Viessmann 2-pole conductive couplings & adding pick ups to the 2nd unit ?

 

[Al]

Those models are excellent. Shame they don't make them in 'n' gauge...

 

[john woodall]

Here is a site of a guy in Germany who has modelled some of the WW 1 trains.

http://www.modellbahnstudio-thueringen.de/

Truely some sensational modelling.

John

 

[PaulRhB]

QUOTE (Al @ 7 Mar 2008, 22:26) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Those models are excellent. Shame they don't make them in 'n' gauge...
Yes but Dragon do some 1/144 ones in their can-do range and you can get them ready made or as kits. I used the kit version to make an N scale train using an old arnold kof chassis with the body cut back to just fit inside, it's light and needs very clean wheels but it works! I mounted the trailing units on grafar mk3 coach bogies from the bits box. I'll take a picture later if I find it. Dragon and Trumpeter also do a lot of 1/144 German tanks.
Railway vehicles.
http://www.tankzone.co.uk/cart/dragon_144_20025.htm
Tanks.
http://www.tankzone.co.uk/category/cat_wargaming.htm

The HO one is an excellent model and I have an 8 car set. They were originally designed to be 12 cars but due to pressure to get them in service and shortage of materials they tended to be run as 8 or less. There are some excellent books on German armoured trains with all the details and I'll try and find the publisher. Shuco and Roco Minitanks do 1/87th German armour models. Dragon also made a 1/72 RC Tiger!

 

[pedromorgan]

loks good doug.

for making the car heavier, i would recommend some liquid lead in the recesses at the ends. shuld work a treat.

Peter

 

[Al]

QUOTE (PaulRhB @ 8 Mar 2008, 06:46) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yes but Dragon do some 1/144 ones in their can-do range and you can get them ready made or as kits. I used the kit version to make an N scale train using an old arnold kof chassis with the body cut back to just fit inside, it's light and needs very clean wheels but it works! I mounted the trailing units on grafar mk3 coach bogies from the bits box. I'll take a picture later if I find it. Dragon and Trumpeter also do a lot of 1/144 German tanks.
Railway vehicles.
http://www.tankzone.co.uk/cart/dragon_144_20025.htm
Tanks.
http://www.tankzone.co.uk/category/cat_wargaming.htm

Thanks for the link. I have a few of the Dragon models, but as yet I haven't found a motor to fit inside (mainly because I've not looked that hard) Thanks for the tip on the Mk.3 bogies.
The problem I've found with the Dragon/Cando stuff is it's 1:144, not 1:160, so most of the tanks and figures are over scale. However the Leopold and Karl guns, and the Panzerpahzug aren't too bad due to their size...

 

[PaulRhB]

Al
The advantage is that there was a light scout train and a heavy scout train in this style so if you are doing 1/160 it becomes the heavy scout version!
As long as you don't put the two together in a train it doesn't look bad, a bit of forced perspective modelling with the railway in the background and the 1/144 tanks in a diorama at the front?

Did you know about these from Hobbytrain Lemke?

http://www.mgsharp.com/images/Lemke_Hobby/lemke_23601.jpg

mgsharp have them for pre-orders on the european N page. I think they are made by kato.
http://www.mgsharp.com/Hobbytrain_Lemke.htm

 

[Al]

Interesting. I'll keep an eye on that...

 

[Doug]

QUOTE (john woodall @ 8 Mar 2008, 04:17) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Here is a site of a guy in Germany who has modelled some of the WW 1 trains.

http://www.modellbahnstudio-thueringen.de/

Truely some sensational modelling.

John

Thanks for that link John, That's what I want my layout to look like one day. Some good inspiration there.

Just check out the activity:

 

[PaulRhB]

Well if you like that then you'll like this!

isbn 0887402887, schiffer military history publishing

and here's my N gauge version.

and the railgun

 

[Al]

They look good...

 

[Doug]

Interesting book, I've just ordered a copy on Amazon. Thanks for the info.

I have a couple of other items on order that will be reviewed shortly. Some very interesting models.

I did order a BP 44 PANZERZUG from Mach2 models recently, but unfortunately they lost my credit card details that I gave them over the phone and didn't show much sincerity about placing my order a second time around. I'll perhaps get one from Artmaster when they complete production of their version.

A shame as the Mach2 model looked quite promising.

 

[Al]

Thats a nice model. Unfortunatly 1:72 scale.

 

[neil_s_wood]

Micro Metakit did a phenomenal armoured train. The cost is beyond most of us but it is still worth looking at.

 

[Al]

You're not kidding....

02400H Armored Panzer train #82, half set consists of one BR 52 Panzer locomotive with condenser tender, one munitions car, one commando wagon, one radar car, one flak car pursuit vehicle, one panzer flat car with Skoda T38 turret and one armored panzer car with Panzer IV turrets. Locomotive and cars painted in the summer three tone camouflage. $4249.00

02402H Armored Panzer train #82, half set consists of one BR 52 Panzer locomotive with condenser tender, one munitions car, one commando wagon, one radar car, one flak car pursuit vehicle, one panzer flat car with Skoda T38 turret and one armored panzer car with Panzer IV turrets. Locomotive and cars painted in the Russian front winter camouflage. $4249.00

 

[john woodall]

Well, Here is a site in English

http://www.paradesquare.ca/railway/ww2.htm

If their website ever gets fixed, these guys built some 1:87 version of armoured trains.

http://www.micro-metakit.de

Note that the do produce museum quility items but it is beautiful stuff. To see some do a search on ebay.de

John

 

[PaulRhB]

QUOTE (Doug @ 8 Mar 2008, 22:04) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>A shame as the Mach2 model looked quite promising.

Did you try any of their other distributors off the link on top?
http://www.mach2.fr/index2gb.htm

This lot should be able to get it if it's available.

http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=MACHAR02

 

[Martin71]

Hi

Great review...... I wish you didn't do it as now I really want to buy a set. I got my hands on the Liliput armored cam loco. What a beauty. Love the black out markers on the loco/tender, so real. Excellent detail and very well built.

Ahhh what makes it worse is all these other postings on armored trains. How do I explain that to the wife. Maybe if I get the cam models she will not see them blended in with the scenery. Wishful thinking.

I got out of modeling WW2 as I did a early model Tiger set in Kirsk. She had full interior detail right down to every 4th round on the mg, the tip was painted red (trace). It took first prise only to be disqualified for not being politically correct. They had an issue with the KIA Russian gun crew.

Thanks for the review Doug and everyone else that has added to it. All on my wish list. Some great models there. Excellent stuff.

m