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Loco & Rolling Stock Storage - "What are the Options ?"

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Loco & Rolling Stock Storage - "What are the Options" ?

This is a topic which is likely to be encountered by almost all railway modellers, irrespective of scale / gauge & certainly does not it seem to have any one simple, correct or standard answer . Perhaps it does & we have just not found it ?

Having briefly discussed this with LF&T; we would like, on a joint basis to canvas the thoughts, views & ingenuity of the MRF membership, to see what solutions can be found, are in use, are in mind, etc. These may be existing, new or adaptions on a theme, the initial intention being to collate what's out there at present, & then perhaps depending on the response, move forward from there.

By way of some background information & as food for thought; we would offer the following;

Current Thinking on Outline Spec;

So far is: to try to conceive the simplest possible storage module that
• minimises/eliminates the need for handling the model during transfer from storage to track and vv
• can be easily stacked and packed away in drawers (removing the need for dustproofing) without wasting space due to voids.
• is 'linear' - it can be cut to suit the length of the model it houses.
• allow contents to be checked visually
• has an inner surface that is not abrasive to the model, yet restrains it if the storage module is tilted/inverted.
• has stop ends to prevent the model from rolling out

So what might it be made of? Off the peg rectangular transparent extrusion - with removable end plugs? Or a stout card/3mm ply IKEA style flatpack faced with some fabric that enables it to be folded (like a file box) so as to house and restrain the model?

That said the following may assist in adding some meat to the bones;

Selection of Links of possible source material / ideas + some thoughts / comments;

Here are some links to current available systems / products, no doubt there are others (?) :

MPD storage boxes - RJ's DC Concepts approach. http://www.dccconcepts.com/index_files/DCCmpdstorage.htm

Eurobahn here - which actually has rails inside so the train can be driven out. (* will add this link to next post)

Then there is the display rack system Trainsafe here http://www.train-safe.de/index_en.php?section=1 : expensive but maybe the principle may be employed using acrylic extruded rectangular tube. Trainsafe can be bought in the UK @

Modellbahn
Joachim Messerschmidt (everything from full size 50s bubble car to a WW2 109 available from stock?)
37 Nightingale Drive
Towcester Northants. NN12 6RA
Great Britain
Phone: +441-327-352581
Fax +441-327-352581
email:[email protected]

Q? - Costs - could a "cheaper / more readily affordable" alternative version be developed ?

Q ? - Could you contrive a far more minimalist IKEA style interpretation of the principle that one might just lift out of a drawer and offer up to the track ?
…..at the moment we were basing the approach on a system or systems which could fit within storage drawers, such as those shown below - but without the "boxes" !;

Property Wood Rectangle Floor Flooring


Rectangle Wood Stairs Flooring Floor


This may not be the right starting point. Nothing here is precious or cast in stone. Hope this sets the grey matter running & very much look forward to your input. After all we all want ready, easy & regular use of our loco's & rolling stock, but with minimal risk of damage to them, in the process.

Cheers,

LF&T & Norm

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Hi DT,

I will bring a long a set of London Eye drawings for you to the Newhaven Show - a mock up early next week would be fine LOL ! No Pressure !!!!!

I still think as many pictures relating to stock / loco storage would be ideal from everyone that would like to contribute.

Cheers,

Norm
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Norm's been hustling me
He's just PM'd saying "OK Its high time you put your box cutter where your mouth is" about this project..

So here is the first post about where I have got to in making my "low cost box". - and it is not good news.

Basically I want to emulate this clever £30 MPD storage for my 30 odd locos:

by trying to use the approach of IKEA style flatpack boxes just costing pence:

And so far I have notched up failure: Notice in the first photo the total failures:

Mark 1A based on my design posted above, was cut from a Sony TV box and was triple layer corrugated card. It simply was too thick and wouldn't bend.
Mark 1B was thinner double layer corrugated card but was cut too tight around the loco.

At this point I measured a number of my eclectic range of locos and decided it would be better to use a 6mm ply base 40 mm wide with a piece of code 100 track mounted on it, then"liner" down the interior of the box to give a 1mm overall clearance to the loco.
So shewn in the left foreground is Mark 1C. On the right the trial loco is the Compound, one of the widest @ 38mm.
About all you can say about it in terms of my earlier spec., is that it provides sturdy protection for transporting the loco when secured with the hook and loop tape.

But it is still too tight for the loco to be driven out - because the cardboard won't stay square - and the hook and loop tape won't stick to the box (which looks like a dogs dinner).
Notice too my attempts to cut openings in the box - I've revisited the Comet 1 jet disasters in that the square window develops stress cracks at the corners hence the LNER syle shield shape (which the loco cab handrail can snag on).

Marks awarded: 3 out of 10
Remarks: "could do better"

I'm off to bed "perchance to dream".... in corrugated cardboard ?

LF&T
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QUOTE and it is not good news
in corrugated cardboard ?
No Blue Peter badge for you today then.........
QUOTE On the right the trial loco is the Compound
try, diesel engines no bits, sticking out


QUOTE At this point I measured a number of my eclectic range of locos
Dcc, variant.....


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I think this idea might be a bit more space-efficient than the London Eye concept: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternoster
QUOTE (Wheatley @ 17 Nov 2012, 11:24) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think this idea might be a bit more space-efficient than the London Eye concept: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternoster
I worked for years in a tower at Newcastle uni that had a Paternoster lift just like that.
I could bring the kids in at half term and they would spend the whole week joy riding on it round and round (no Health & Safety in those days).

But eventually it all came to a grizzly end when it crushed a woman visitor from E Europe as it passed around over the top. Not understanding the principle, she panicked and jumping up and down she caused the car to jump off the (worn) guides.

LF&T
Hi Wheatley,

Thanks for the further input - I would say the London Eye was somewhat tongue in cheek, although a DT mockup is still being sought LOL ! The patenosters I know are still very common place in Europe, worked on a few projects in the last few years where they have been still operating in existing buildings.

Well LF&T - I take my hat off to you in terms of effort & the detailed coverage / reporting of your exploits & endeavours. Also have to say some of which did make me giggle, in particular the mental picture being created by the image of your intombed loco not being able to be extracted from its corrugated cardboard "wrapper" - & we won't even think about how blue the Northern night air may have become LOL ! But seriously great effort. Can't wait to see MK3,4 & ........ !

Also as if I would even consider hassleing your good self LOL !

I am going to see what bits & bobs are lurking around here to attempt some form of mock up, will keep you posted.

If anyone else would like to join in the fun, that would be great ?

Cheers,

Norm

PS. A table tennis table work bench now thats great recycling in anyones book LOL !
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QUOTE (Long funnel & tiresome @ 17 Nov 2012, 12:31) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I worked for years in a tower at Newcastle uni that had a Paternoster lift just like that.

The last one I remembers was in use at the council offices in Ipswitch.

They were actually a very useful/quick way of getting from floor to floor without having to wait for a lift.

To use one safely you had to ;

1) Understand how the thing operated &

2) Have a functioning brain.
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OK folks, thats enough 'off piste' lets go back OT.
OT means 'Outdoing Toddy' in posting up a record of my modelling failures


So here is Mark 2B (Mk 2A got binned after it had me slice away at the top of my thumb while at the same time trying to explain to bossy Grand daughter what I was doing with her brother Benji's 'train set')


a neater box than Mk 1 - with a different way of

opening up to reveal the poor old guinea-pig tender drive compound

here the 'great leap forward' is revealed: the expensive bit of code 100 on a 6mm ply base has been replaced by triple thickness corrug cardboard with slots to 00 gauge cut in that are edged with tinfoil. The Compound can now be driven off (via my yet to be constructed cradle) onto the track.

Brilliant .... or what?

Well actually...

SWAT analysis:
Strengths:
all the bull
t I've just spun you
plus the box is now nice and big, with the capability to be linered down to give a 1mm clearance to the loco.

Weaknesses: the revolutionary 3 layer corrug card faced in tinfoil is not "stoker proof". It clearly won't withstand frequent loading and unloading - a more durable cheapo electrically conductive spec is required.
I've ducked the problem of cutting openings for visibly identifying the loco because they snag delicate bits of detail.
The hook and loop tape I'm using is wickedly fierce. It requires a huge amount of effort to pull apart, with a real risk that the whole shebang may fly off and dash itself to pieces on the floor.

lets give it 4 out of 10
It is not half way there yet in terms of the spec. I set myself.

LF&T

PS These are the dims I'm working to (red the biggest, blue the smallest)
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Morning LF&T,

I now know you are a "night owl" or is there that much of a great North / South time divide, as those times for me at least are big ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ lol !

Sorry to hear about the war wound, hope nothing to serious, & also no claret on the loco, lucky you picked that colour loco to use maybe !

Great work once again; I would say your own marking is somewhat on the harsh side, maybe we should "ask the audience" - but it certainly worth a lot more marks than that in terms of effort, & ingenuity on the tin foil stakes, is certainly in the category of "one small step for LF&T, ONE ............"
The box looks much more user friendly, than the previous MK's in my view. No probs on the "viewing windows" could go for the old thick marker pen, or a printed pic of the engine / rolling stock fixed to the box perhaps. Or just play lucky dip - what will be running today lol !

Again great effort Mr. Night Owl !!!!!!

Cheers,

Norm
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Thanks Norm for your encouraging comments
QUOTE I would say your own marking is somewhat on the harsh side
It really is because it is not yet half way to "doing what it says on the tin"


But I'll have another go after supper tonight while SWMBO watches TV. I fancy having a 'stab' (pun intended ?) next at making the launching cradle.

LF&T
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Don't be conned by free give-away orange boxes from Tesco plugged on a rival thread - just look at the latest developments here: an over-priced drive in cardboard box (still the lovely Mk2):

Train Wood Rolling stock Railway Rolling


I've now had a stab at a launching cradle to hold the amazing Mk2 box

Train Vehicle Light Rolling stock Building

shewn in this drive on/off trial done on the bairn's trackmat (sorry don't have a video camera).

Wood Floor Flooring Hardwood Rectangle

Here is the loading cradle that fits over the track

OK it works (after a fashion), but it is far from "stoker-proof" yet and the rig is much too long. The next version of the cradle that locates over the track will be shorter with the box locating part cantilevered. At present it needs far too long a straight bit of track.

Well folks...."back to the asylum"

LF&T

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Am sending you the paperwork,for you to summit your entry to the "Dragon's Den" for further funding for your project.

I did hear on the grapevine, that your lottery application failed.........
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Hi LF&T,

Well I would accept DT's kind offer - All Funds gratefully accepted eh; in the name of progress of course LOL !!!!

I would also say your latest efforts have definitely increased that points score - the extruded craddle handles look very much like the ones from down under ? & just the job. Is the track loading / placing section on a slight slope, or is that just my eyesight ?

Keep up the great efforts, really well done.

Cheers,

Norm
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QUOTE (Norman Byrne @ 26 Nov 2012, 10:52) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi LF&T,
Well I would accept DT's kind offer - All Funds gratefully accepted eh; in the name of progress of course LOL !!!!

I would also say your latest efforts have definitely increased that points score - the extruded craddle handles look very much like the ones from down under ? & just the job.Um....
thats because it is RJ's !
Lets just say I have it beside me for "inspiration"

Dragon's Den, is that the one with Sugar? Well he's always ripped off other folks ideas - so I might well be in with a chance.

QUOTE Is the track loading / placing section on a slight slope, or is that just my eyesight ?yup, learn to trust yer eyesight. Its on a slope so induces no end of wicked wheelspin. You have to be real quick on the emergency stop button!

Hands up who's for the free clemantines box instead?

LF&T
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The following idea is from an American publication: Shelf Layouts for Model Railroads by Iain Rice pub Model Railroader books, and can be found on p22. A vertical 'train stacker'.

"Similar in form to the old fashioned sash window". A vertical backing board has a number of train-bearing shelves attached to it. The whole thing suspended on ropes over pulleys with counter-weights and slides up and down in a wall-attached frame which carries the pulleys for the counter-weights; the interface between board and frame being some kind of ball-bearing drawer or sliding door track.

To put it another way: it's a series of shelves one above the other attached to a backing board. The backing board moves up or down in a frame (The counterweights ensuring that the action is smooth and controllable) to access the individual shelf. Basically it's a traverser, only up the wall instead of taking up horizontal space.

See the book for an illustration.
Hi Wheatley,

Thanks again for the further input. I do not have a copy of the book, but have got a pretty clear pic of what you mean, I seem to think I have seen something like that in a magazine or bookmany years ago, or at least the same approach. A sort of vertical cassette set up. Any chance you could post a copy of the pic you have found maybe ?

The other real benefit of that sort of arrangement being its "small" space needs in terms of width, which is often the more precious dimension, with "dead" space above / below often being available & wasted.

Cheers,

Norm
As it's coming up to December; answers on a postcard are allowed; Only to fill the missing spaces -

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4.5

5

7'ish & forgotten

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Would suggest a closing date, but not yet ........................

Many thanks LF&T + the marketing "Name" (dont say it or else .........).
But do pull your fingers out - so to speak !!!!!! xx
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QUOTE A sort of vertical cassette set up. Any chance you could post a copy of the pic you have found maybe ?
Would it be this you were thinking of Wheatley ?



this is the link to the site http://www.hellotrade.com/schletter/car-paternoster-lift.html ://http://www.hellotrade.com/schletter...ster-lift.html
There is one in a model shop window in Valletta, Malta.

LF&T
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Hi again All,
This is now a very old thread, but thought it might be worth redirecting having given both the time that has now passed, the way things in the modelling market place have moved on, and also what Forum members have now shown on various threads, such as use of the “full train” clear storage cassettes as seen on Alanoes layout thread; plus others no doubt.
In preparing to make this update, came across the “Nelevator” system, which seems to have been around since the mid 2010’s, a link to which follows; The Nelevator: the automatic fiddle yard for model railways

..... this would appear to be along the lines of the system mention in post #97 above by Wheatley in the original thread responses. Looks like a serious piece of kit ...... could not see anything on the cost front ..... maybe just as well lol !
As for Norms Loft Layout, storage in the main still remains in the under baseboard drawers, with most rolling stock yet to be de-boxed;





Anyway, hope this thread generates a similar level of interest to the original, and look forward to seeing what is now being used / available, on this key aspect of the hobby.
Thanks for now, Cheers Norm
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...In preparing to make this update, came across the “Nelevator” system, which seems to have been around since the mid 2010’s, a link to which follows; The Nelevator: the automatic fiddle yard for model railway ...
This was proposed as a product for N gauge, which was successful; and this led to requests for an upscaled version for OO.

Sadly it appears that the OO version proved impracticable, and there were reports of non-delivery within expected timescale - how that concluded I have no idea.

...this would appear to be along the lines of the system mention in post #97 above by Wheatley in the original thread responses...
I have long ago seen such a 'sash window' style multilevel storage for an HO layout: 'only' four tiers and 2m long. The builder was particularly proud that the contacts to make the selected track live was on the 'stops' which supported the moving part when aligned, so that there could only be power on the correctly aligned rails, all other tracks were isolated.
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