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I am painting a loco in LSWR pea green.

Its a G6.
My question is was the whole loco green? including the smokebox and smokebox door and chimney?
What about the footplate?
I know the cab interior was kind of musturd colour (I have the correct colour for that)
but what colour shall I do the cab floor?

I am not used to painting loco's! this is all a bit new to me!

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QUOTE kind of musturd colour

Sorry Peter
, but that typo is just laugh out loud funny, unless there really is a creature called a "mus" in which case it's not a typo, just funny?

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Oah i wish i could spell!!!

evry now and then i try and make the forum spell checker work but so far no luck!

QUOTE (poliss @ 17 Nov 2008, 21:02) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Does this link help?

hot really no. that is the origional livery. the one i am doing (thankfully!!!) is the unlined goods green that i believe Drummond introduced.

I am guessing that the smokebox and footplate were black. but i would like confirmation.

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I think you are in a bit of a muddle here. The HMRS LSWR Livery Register should provide all the answers, but, as that is at home, off the top of my head, and with a little help from Wikipedia, I would make the following points:
For all LSWR liveries the smokebox would be black. I cannot vouch for the footplate but I suspect that it would also be black.
The Pea Green livery was in fact one of the earlier ones (Adams) and was elaborately lined out, and was superseded by Drummond's darker green around 1895.
The example of a G6 that was linked to is in one of Drummond's liveries, with the rather abrupt LSW on the tanks.
The later unlined green, for goods locos, was brought in by Urie after the Great War.
I suspect that the cab floor would have been timber and may have been unpainted but would have achieved a fairly dark colour in service.
I would go along with Nick on this one and would expect the footplate to be black.

You have to be quick, but this item on EBay is simply the finest example of the later LSWR livery that I have seen in 50+ years, it is an N15 and deserves to exceed £500. Nothing to do with me but I admire the model and I grew up with an enthusiast of the LSWR.

Item number 200267558716
I agree dirty black is pretty safe for the G6. My HMRS Livery Register is also some distance from me (about 4,000 miles).
As for LSWR N15s I would be reluctant to pay too much on EBay as a Hornby version must surely come soon. They have done the M7 LSWR version and rumoured a T9 but wiyh delays in producing that model it could be 2010 before we see an LSWR version. The N15s however have been coming out every couple of months and I am hopeful of a LSWR in 2009. What a great model in any livery!
thanks for the help guys.

that N15 is a bit special isnt it!!?
thats actually the livery i thought i would be painting the G6 in but he changed his mind. i am rather greatful concidering all that lining!

For what it is worth the HMRS LSWR Livery Register says:

Goods locomotives 1883-1922, and secondary passenger locomotives 1883-7

This scheme, developed by Adams in 1883, appears to have continued in use until the grouping with such little modification that it needs to be considered as a continuous topic.

The main colour has been variously described as:- Dark green; Dark bronze green; Holly green; Dark holly green; Black or very dark green; Very dark green, almost black; Very dark green.
The lining colour was noted as:- Bright green; Light green; Moderate yellowish green,

As originally specified, the boiler, main frames (below the platform), safety valve lever, outside cylinders, valances, footsteps, wheel centres, tender frames, hornplates, springs, hangers, outside cranks, coal coping and the front of axleboxes were painted dark green. Bogie frames and tender axleboxes were black, and guard irons, buffer sockets and buffer beams were vermilion. Lining was carried out on the boiler bands, cab panels, splashers, sand boxes, cylinder clothing, footsteps and tender sides and end, all of which were edged in black and lined in light green. The edge of the coal coping was black, unlined. No lettering was carried at first, the engine number was marked by cut-out brass figures on the cab side, with the usual presentation on the buffer beams. Other, later, details of lettering and shape of lining conformed to contemporary passenger- engine practice. Long before Urie's time, the guard irons, and probably the frames too had become black.
Cab interiors were buff and the frame interiors (with the motion plate) were probably tan. Toolboxes on the engine platform (e.g. on Beattie 2-4-0Ts) were painted as for tanks. The following parts of engines were painted black:- cab roof exterior, splasher and tank tops, tank ends, outside motion plate, outside cylinder ends, step treads, guard irons, axles, axle ends, tyres, tender interior, coal rails, hornplates, axleboxes, springs, spring hangers, brake gear, toolboxes on tender platforms and top. As before, buffer beams were vermilion and motion, buffer heads and handrails bright. Builders' plates were retained, but no coats of arms were carried.
Unfortunately the contentious matter of the runningplate (or whatever it should be called) is not mentioned in any of the livery descriptions, but photographs seem to confirm that the logical black was used. Also there are some contradictions in the above, perhaps due to different observers (note the range of colours named), the passage of time, or the practices of different sheds. There does not appear to be any reference to the lining actually being omitted, and it is very difficult to spot it in photographs, especially when covered in even the lightest coat of grime.
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The two LSWR locos in the NRM have examples of both liveries - the M7 carries Drummond dark green and the 4-4-0 (T1?) Adams apple green. Images might available on the NRM website....

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