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Several companies now seem to be producing military models to go with model railway layouts.

These cover several epochs from II to V and several manufacturers now are making military based models. These are a good basis for a theme for a layout and offer some very good options

Roco's Minitanks have been on the go for some time and added a new dimension to railway layouts.

Lilliput also produced military items, mainly from epoch II, such as the Messerschmitt Me109 on a wagon and this years mini submarine and torpedoes. They also have a camouflaged loco and other items.



Fleischmann have introduced two sets of naval items which includes a submarine on a wagon.

Maerklin/Trix have just introduced a whole new range of items which improve on the Roco items in that they are metal. There is a range of coaches as well as tanks and transport vehicles.





Epoch II obviously coincided with WW2 and so some of the Lilliput and Fleischmann stuff would not look out of place.

Similarly with Epoch V, KFOR and SFOR equipment would have been railed across Europe and would not look out of place.

Do any forum members think they will use any of these items in their layouts?

Does anyone think they will base a layout around any of these items?

Does anyone already have a miltary style layout which they would like to show us?
 

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I've certainly considered adding some of them. What I'd really like is an Epoch II layout where I could go nuts with all the specialized hardware like armored trains, track ripper cars, rail guns and armored draisines, but I suppose it'd be considered more than a little tasteless.
 

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QUOTE (Agamemnon @ 16 Feb 2007, 10:13) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I've certainly considered adding some of them. What I'd really like is an Epoch II layout where I could go nuts with all the specialized hardware like armored trains, track ripper cars, rail guns and armored draisines, but I suppose it'd be considered more than a little tasteless.
I wouldn't care about being labled tasteless but then I'm currently living in Australia where that isn't a problem. I'm keen on doing an Epoch II layout with some WW2 aspect to justify including some of this stuff. I'd like to include these submarines somewhere and the Lilliput AA cars.
 

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QUOTE (Agamemnon @ 15 Feb 2007, 23:13) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I've certainly considered adding some of them. What I'd really like is an Epoch II layout where I could go nuts with all the specialized hardware like armored trains, track ripper cars, rail guns and armored draisines, but I suppose it'd be considered more than a little tasteless.

If you saw the amount of WWII stuff produced by German manufactureers & exhibited at Nurnberg you would realize that this is a common area of modelling - not tasteless at all !
 

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i have done an ambulance train using former LSWR vehicles but apart from that no.

i once had ideas about a layout based on the ramp at Auschwitz-Birkenau. but 9i had to wonder if people would really want to see it. the layout at the IWM is really a work of art. evrything is painted grey. it sounds tacky but trust me its very tastefull.

About a year ago a couple of us started talking about this on the model railroader forum but within about half an hour it had turned into an anti war bunfight. a shame really. i think there is a genuine and justifiable subject matter there.

i have some pictures of the IWM layout if anyone would like to see them. (i can post them tomorrow)

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QUOTE (pedromorgan @ 16 Feb 2007, 16:41) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i have done an ambulance train using former LSWR vehicles but apart from that no.

i once had ideas about a layout based on the ramp at Auschwitz-Birkenau. but 9i had to wonder if people would really want to see it. the layout at the IWM is really a work of art. evrything is painted grey. it sounds tacky but trust me its very tastefull.

About a year ago a couple of us started talking about this on the model railroader forum but within about half an hour it had turned into an anti war bunfight. a shame really. i think there is a genuine and justifiable subject matter there.

i have some pictures of the IWM layout if anyone would like to see them. (i can post them tomorrow)

Peter
I'd like to see them Peter. You are right these things can be done tastefully. You just have to take more care with them.
 

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I once seen a picture of a train load of Centurion tanks being hauled by I thought a 9F but it may have been an Austerity 2-10-0. I'm going to repicate this as best as I can remember. I've ordered 10 Airfix Centurions but I'm unsure of the type of flat wagon they were placed on
. Any clues anyone.

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I have some info on the Cent I may even have that picture that you mentioned.
I will have a look and see what I can find for you?

I will get back to you on this.

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QUOTE (pedromorgan @ 16 Feb 2007, 07:41) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>About a year ago a couple of us started talking about this on the model railroader forum but within about half an hour it had turned into an anti war bunfight. a shame really. i think there is a genuine and justifiable subject matter there.

It happened again this year, with several outrageous overreactions on their part, and me in the middle advocating freedom of expression. Ugly.
 

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QUOTE (Agamemnon @ 17 Feb 2007, 01:39) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It happened again this year, with several outrageous overreactions on their part, and me in the middle advocating freedom of expression. Ugly.
You'd have thought that politics had no place in model rail really. I don't see recording history or modelling past events as an expression of being for war.
 

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Firstly my apologies for the poor pictures and for the fact that i only took 3. its not far from where i work so if anyone wants more i can go and take them but it will take time.







It was a shame what happened on the MR forum. a few people decided it was sick to even talk about it and some just turned it into an anti war protest.

I think such a model can be fantastically evocative and educational
IF ITS DONE TASTEFULLY.

But there is really no scope at all for modellers liscence. you have to tell it the way it was. you cant mess with something like that.

In the third pcture you can see some of the only pictures that were taken there while the concentration camp was actually in use. at the very far end of the model (out of view to the left of the first picture) is the sorting area. to decide which prisoners would be worked (in most cases to their death) or which would go straight to the gas chambers.

the main gas chambers are at the opposite corner to the camera in the first picture. just visible in the very top left of the picture.

Its worth remembering that although i think most of the important bits of the story could be told on a layout such as this it still dosent give you an idea of the scale. the ramp that the model represents was still only a small part of the camp.

On the wall around the cornet was the actuall station sign from kablinka. (i think it was kablinka but it might have been one of the others, i cant really remember now)

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I watched the series on Auschwitz on tv recently, you guys probably had it a year or two ago, it is stunning to think that this happened only comparitively recently in Europe. I huess what is also bad is that similar stuff, on a lot smaller scale, happened in the Balkans within the last decade. It is quite frightening what can happen when a government gets out of control.

I think models like this help people to understand what happened. I remember similar features at Yad Vashem in Israel. It helps to convey the magnitude of what happened.

The DB has a special memorial at Grunewald railway station in Berlin as an apology for the part that the German railways had in the holocaust.

 

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Dear Neil,
You may be interested to know there are two massive 'military' layouts in the UK on the exhibition circuit.
One is called 'Overlord', and is in 4mm OO gauge. This represents Southampton around D-Day in 1944. It is in several sections, and when fully assembled is 30ft long. The maker chose to do this model because it could combine railway, ship and military modelling.
The other is 'Kingswear' in 2mm scale, finescale gauge of 9.42mm. This represents the railway along the river Dart in Devon as the Americans were embarking for the D-Day landings at Utah beach.
Both models are remarkable examples of 'freezing' a particular point in history and I certainly have heard no complaints about them from those who have seen them.
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John Webb
 

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>The other is 'Kingswear' in 2mm scale, finescale gauge of 9.42mm.
This layout was at Railex 2006. I posted a couple of pictures in this thread.

If the images just appear as "IPB image" try again in about an hours time. My ISP seems to block access just after I've uploaded pictures.

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Ozzie

Thease should help you I have included the specs section as well, which will give you the weight etc:

If you would like some more plans of the Cent Let me know?





By the way the plans are 1:76 scale
 

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I seem to remember passing some kind of armoured vehicle when on a train from Leeds to York in the late 70s. Am I correct and if so who was it, what did they produce, did they ship the stuff by rail and what was the output in the 50s?

David
 
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