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Any firm in the UK supply small containers of lubricating oil for gauge 00 models?
Apparently the retailers advertise suitable oil in special applicators or small bottles - a costly method to buy oil, as in the days of old, cans of 200ml could be purchased or a visit to a Singer sewing machine outlet offered this commodity.
Halfords offer a lubricant oil in -0 to 30 sold in 2litre containers! not a practical amount for my needs.
 

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Does it need to be a very specialised oil? You used to be able to get 3-in-1 oil (if that is suitable) in small cans with a spout that would release one drop at a time if you were careful. I've used this on my model railway engines; I hope that this isn't doing them any harm!
 

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QUOTE (Robert Stokes @ 14 Sep 2007, 20:31) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I hope that this isn't doing them any harm!

At the risk of several people disagreeing with me, it certainly won't do them any good !

There is a specialist supplier of model lubricants that advertises in the RM (& probably other mags), after all, even expensive lubricants used sparingly (as they should be) won't exactly break the bank.

I've had far too many repairs on my bench in the past stinking of 3 in 1 or WD40 that have had to be completely stripped to recommend anything but the right lubricant.

Using the correct lubricants will enhance the performance of your locos - after all, you would'nt put cooking oil into your cars engine would you.
 

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DB said: "I've had far too many repairs on my bench in the past stinking of 3 in 1 or WD40 that have had to be completely stripped to recommend anything but the right lubricant.

Using the correct lubricants will enhance the performance of your locos - after all, you would'nt put cooking oil into your cars engine would you.

**** 100 % agree - modellers using aerosol cans of WD40 and any similar lubricant should have their left hand removed :)

Biggest problems also see are (1) far too much oil) and (2) wrong kind.

Applying oil: Never straight from can or spout. Take a medium sized sewing needle and cut the end off the eye, leaving just a fork. Stick the sharp end into something to use as a handle and use this to allpy a small drop of oil where its needed. (put a drop of oil onto a disposable surface and pick it up from there )

Source of good oil: Fishing gear shops. The oil they sell stays where its put, and doesn't migrate. Same with their greases, which are excellent. The last lot I bought were called "superlube" Lots of teflon and designed to last in hostile environments, so they are good long life products.

Why not 3 in 1?: Because its a multi-use oil thats also usable as a penetrating type oil and so it just migrates everywhere - you want an oil that will stay where its put!

Cleaning a chassis of too much oil: Put it on a pile of paper towells and zap it with an aerosol of isopropyl alcohol - this will bbleast out the gunk and not hurt anything, including the motor, as it does not leave any residues.

If its really bad, strip it and use hot water and lots of detergent, then dry thoroughly

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You said:
Does it need to be a very specialised oil? You used to be able to get 3-in-1 oil (if that is suitable) in small cans with a spout that would release one drop at a time if you were careful. I've used this on my model railway engines; I hope that this isn't doing them any harm!

***One drop of oil is enough for every bearing on a couple of large locos with some to spare. "Almost none" is about the right amount on each bearing and friction point.

Generations of modleers have economised with 3 in 1, but one tiny bottle should last a modeller a lifetime so its worth buying the right stuff. As my other post said, fishing reel oils are excellent, and as another source, so are fine clock oils from the jewellers suppliers.

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QUOTE after all, you would'nt put cooking oil into your cars engine would you.
If you put it in the diesel tank you'll have Revenue and Customs coming after you for unpaid excise tax. It might not do the seals in the fuel lines much good either


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QUOTE (dwb @ 15 Sep 2007, 11:12) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>If you put it in the diesel tank you'll have Revenue and Customs coming after you for unpaid excise tax. It might not do the seals in the fuel lines much good either


David

not so.

Veggie oil as a fuel is ok now...government have issued a decree announcing they will NOT pursue for fuel duty on veggie oil....as of this August....due to difficulties in, either recovering the duty, or even proving it.

Best stuff is Tesco's rape seed oil...added to one's diesel tank.

Seals are ok (you are thinking of old cars, produced when leaded fuel was rampant.....trying to use modern leadless fuel with the old seals..ie Triumph mechanical fuel injection?]

Modern diesels with ecu's, or 'common rail' engines don't like veggie fuel....because of coking issues..look at one's chip pan to see what I mean.
Old-design diesels, like peugeot's XUD engine, ie non-common rail, with mechanical inj. pumps, etc....Citroen BX diesel, for example....or Massey Fergusons...will run quite happily on veggie oil.....even better if you make/fit a fuel heater.
Bio-fuel ring a bell?

Massey Ferguson? Britain's answer to Harley Davidson?

For a model oil...try the LaBelle product range from the US of A?

not too sure about Peco's ''Electrolube???''
 

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Thread relevant comment:-

I use a lubricating oil from Xacto which comes in a rather neat pen with a needle like tip.

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QUOTE Veggie oil as a fuel is ok now...government have issued a decree announcing they will NOT pursue for fuel duty on veggie oil....as of this August....due to difficulties in, either recovering the duty, or even proving it.

That's an interesting update but due to your follow on comment...

QUOTE Modern diesels with ecu's, or 'common rail' engines don't like veggie fuel....because of coking issues..look at one's chip pan to see what I mean.

it gives me the feeling that the Revenue would love veggie oil users to coke up their engines as a more fitting punishment.

QUOTE Bio-fuel ring a bell?

A very big one but there's a lot FUD about whether "off the forecourt" diesels can use it without modification. I've been running a diesel MINI for just over 3 years and would love to run biodiesel but from what I've been able to find, BMW do NOT recommend using it. Instead I use BP Ultimate diesel and reckon that the extra mpg it gives is about "quits" with the extra cost.

David
 
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