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model rail magazine: needs improving?

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Hi Everyone
I don't normally complain, but.....
I am a subscriber for the Model Rail magazine, My opinion is becoming that
Its editorial content is getting tired.
The design needs looking at
and the paper is so thin it is hardly quality.
Should I continue or swap to another? Perhaps others diagree. I have noticed it before.
GH
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QUOTE Difficult to do so when one of your major sources of income is the advertising from the manufactures themselves - what price any magazine without the advertisements ?

Fair points Brian and Doug, I had forgotten about the amount of advertising Hornby and Bachmann are placing. Nevertheless it does not stop magazines being more inquisitive by nature rather than just accepting the manufacturers press release.

Russell
QUOTE (rb277170 @ 30 Apr 2008, 02:24) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Fair points Brian and Doug, I had forgotten about the amount of advertising Hornby and Bachmann are placing. Nevertheless it does not stop magazines being more inquisitive by nature rather than just accepting the manufacturers press release.

Russell
I think what makes it more of an issue with UK outline is that there are only really two main manufacturers. P**s them off and you loose substantial revenue. In Germany or the USA there are many m,ore manufacturers so if you give one a slagging you can easily still get by on advertising from the rest.
I shan't be buying any more magazines after my subscription runs out. I'm tired of reviews filling most of the magazine and would prefer to see articles about modelling techniques.
It does depend on what a reader (or purchaser) of a magazine wants.
Is it?
Entertainment through a good read with a good style, differing and interesting content.
Practical guides to help further the building of a layout/models
Information on new products that include analysis, perceptive comment aswell as a straightforward description
The ability to keep this information as a semi bibliography
The ability by the reader to discuss topics and latest issues (probably its weakest section)
The ability to influence manufacturers
By reading adverts, be able to make judgements on what is currently available and some idea about price.
The magazine itself be easy to handle and physically have a feel good factor about its paper etc.

Does Model Rail hit these criteria? Or do others do it better? Was I a little hard on them with my topic starter?

My feeling regarding manufacturers is that surely they have a good idea of what the market wants by talking directly to their customers. Some of whom never read magazines or forums.

Without being too cynical, if I was a manufacturer I would be actively talking up my products in online forums.
Cheers Graham
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I don't think the reason for the less good reviews is the revenue for advertising but more the free review samples they get sent. If the manufacturers stop advertising in a mag that sells 500,000 copies it is potentially 500,000 fewer sales of the models, particularly if the models are now only getting a drubbing by the reviews and in any case the adverts could be replaced by others.

The model mags in general have become more like the actual railways, more style than substance. The reviews in Model Rail, amongst others, seems inconsistant and the markers to show how good they think the model is seem to change by issue. They are more reliant on 'see issue [whatever] for details' rather than a brief description, and then sell photocopies for 50p a go.
QUOTE (hairyhandedfool @ 30 Apr 2008, 11:09) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I don't think the reason for the less good reviews is the revenue for advertising but more the free review samples they get sent. If the manufacturers stop advertising in a mag that sells 500,000 copies it is potentially 500,000 fewer sales of the models,

Some time ago we sent some samples (including a locomotive) to a magazine for review & not only received an excellent report & coverage, just after appearing in the magazine the samples arrived back to us. At the time we only ran a small box advertisement so they certainly were not (in our case anyway) "sucking up" to us.

Be interesting to know the actual sales generated on average.
QUOTE (hairyhandedfool @ 30 Apr 2008, 10:09) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>....The reviews in Model Rail, amongst others, seems inconsistant.....
A good example of this in the latest issue.

A set of temporary road signs, self assembly.

Rating: 4.5 stars out of 5

Downside: Some people would prefer ready made signs.

A new Locomotive (Bachmann 37/5)

Rating: 4.5 stars out of 5

Downside: Little of note.

Three questions:

How can anyone mark a product down because someone may not think it is the right product for them?
How can it get the same rating as the loco if it is flawed but the loco is not?
Why did the Loco not get full marks if there is nothing wrong with it?

Perhaps someone could help me here.
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Magazine reviews in the case of locomotives never, to me at least give the information that I would like to see. I would like to see the following information ;

Weight of locomotive.
Haulage power.
Number of pickups.
Minimum radius possible.
Decoder fitting details/ease of installation.
Ease of getting the model out & back into the box.
Information/parts list.

To name a few.

I would rather have actual facts anyday rather than "points" based on a reviewers (possibly biased) opinion.
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QUOTE (hairyhandedfool @ 8 May 2008, 09:32) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>A new Locomotive (Bachmann 37/5)

Rating: 4.5 stars out of 5

Downside: Little of note.

Surely if the downside is "Little of note" then there isn't a downside - so why not give it 5 stars. If there is a reason for the mark down then surely the spending public should be made aware of it.

Regards
The loco in question is a Bachmann 37/5 in two (or three depending on your point of view) tone grey.
All reviews are subjective. Opinions are subjective ideas held by individuals and so are always biased.

That is not always bad. One could grow to appreciate and to agree with a particular reviewer's point of view - perhaps also disagreeing with another. That is why the reviewers must sign all their reviews. And that is why all reviews - even the little ones must be signed.
There is no problem with the reviews being dependant on who writes it nor that they pick up faults that others may decide are no real issue, but, to my mind, a review of a model should be about ease of construction and maintenance, likeness, which it era it best suits and performance, where appropriate, and not, as in the case of the road signs, about who will want to buy it.

If I went round saying the only real problem with the Bachmann 20 was that the windows are slightly too round and it detracts from the model, so 4/5, then thats fine because the mark is based on a problem with the model.

But if someone else did a review of the Hornby 56 and gave it 4/5 because, even though there is nothing wrong with it in their eyes, they don't think people who model pre-grouping would like to buy it, would it not be a fair review.

If both were then published side by side, would it be fair to either?

By giving a model less than 5/5 you are saying it can be better, but if there is nothing wrong with it, how can the model be made better?
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QUOTE (poliss @ 30 Apr 2008, 00:58) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I shan't be buying any more magazines after my subscription runs out. I'm tired of reviews filling most of the magazine and would prefer to see articles about modelling techniques.

Here here! I agree wholeheartedly. Model Rail in particular since it's revamp at the beginning of the year does seem to place more emphasis on reviews than modelling articles or perhaps it's the layout/format of the new magazine ...

Whilst I read the reviews of products I am interested in I glean a lot more from layout and modelling articles and find myself buying MR less of late.
I have received the latest edition. Sorry still not impressed
Graham
QUOTE (mos-ki-toe @ 22 May 2008, 07:49) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have received the latest edition. Sorry still not impressed
Graham

I guess the end of the subscription is nigh then?

Regards
Its a very light read this month. Although I though the editors comments and advice in the magazine were well thought out

Russell
QUOTE Model Rail in particular since it's revamp at the beginning of the year does seem to place more emphasis on reviews than modelling articles

the above quote from DiesAL's post nicely sums up a prevailing view in this thread.

but.....I fear the observation merely reflects a sign of our [modelling] times...?

It is my observation that railway modellers have become more willing to purchase.....ready-to-roll items than in times past.

perhaps due to the almost unbeatable quality of the RTR items available these days?

As a hobby group we are becoming more reliant on manufactured goods for every facet of our hobby......

20-30 years ago, much needed to be made by ourselves..or modified....now the choice is vast...with makers seeking yet more new avenues to explore?

magazine content therefore in my view, reflects this trend....with more emphasis on 'revues'...[we prefer to buy more now, rather than 'make?'] rather than modelling articles.

the downside of this trend , to me, lies with the magazines as a group becoming 'samey', with the 'repeating' of revues...much like car mags and the latest motors?

BUT...I recall an issue being raised almost 20 years ago, regarding authors touting their articles around the various mags.....with the result that the same 'subject' articles could be found in successive but different mags........the result being, for me, a revulsion at the idea that those creating the articles were more 'in it' for the financial side...or the 'kudos'...than from a desire to share with fellow modellers?

.so nowt changes much there?

I like MRJ....simply because its content harks back to the days when modelling was more of a technical skill, rather than a financial one.

it is sad [to me] in a way, too, that many of those marvellous 'detail' and 'upgrade' articles which used to infest the likes of Model Rail, are no longer viable as 'interest' because manufacturers have managed to achieve such incredible levels of detail already.
what is left to 'upgrade?'

Perhaps the arrival of Hornby's 'Railroad' range might yet encourage an upsurge in such articles?

In the past I have also found, that all mags seem to go through spells of 'interest' drought.........changes of editor I find are often the catalyst for my 'going off' a particular publication......a dislike of the new 'style?'

In past times I have 'gone off' such gems as Narrow Gauge and Shortline Gazette, and Railmodel Journal....the Gazette got boring for me with its overload of D&RGW subjects.........RJ got me fed up with Dash-2's.....

what DOES one do with those mountains of old issues?
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QUOTE (alastairq @ 23 May 2008, 19:06) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>what DOES one do with those mountains of old issues?

I think that there is a great deal that modellers can do to enhance models/layouts and perhaps this is where the majority of the magazines are falling down. An example is the use of road vehicles - how many driverless cars and empty buses do you see? I feel the answer is to many. The same applies to empty carriages and crewless locas!

There are plenty of avenues available to assist modellers because, let's face it there are new entrants and returnees all the time and they need to be brought up to speed on the latest techniques.

I think the advent of the Railroad range will do much to help the return to "modify contents of the box modelling" and I for one certainly hope so.

Finally to answer the question quoted above - do what I plan on doing - remove and file the useful bits (plans etc) and recylce the rest.

Regards
QUOTE I think the advent of the Railroad range will do much to help the return to "modify contents of the box modelling" and I for one certainly hope so.

I agree..even if I don't buy any myself....however, I feel it will be all too easy to rely on manufactured detail parts [like the old Crownline sets]....and these cost quite a bit , all adding to the overall cost of the detailed loco.

I often fell foul of this issue [cost of quality 'details'] when modelling US prototypes....upgrading the likes of mehano diesels....

by the time one has finished, one might as well have spent a few bob more and bought Kato/Atlas, or even, a brass model.

what ARE needed are articles [even on here] that show how to make use of scrap, ordinary household items, and recycle them into perfectly acceptable details.......thus the only serious outlay is one of 'time?'

The old 'Scale Model trains' mag used to be full of simple 'how to's'......even , cheap entry to EM gauge....
QUOTE (BRITHO @ 27 May 2008, 11:39) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>remove and file the useful bits (plans etc) and recylce the rest.

Hi Alastair

Forgot to mention I haven't forgotten about those plans of DB wagons - I just haven't found them yet!

Regards
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