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We were shown this image at Warley:



And now some further info has come to light at the Toy Fair:



E-Z Command Dynamis DCC System 36-505
Contents:
- Dynamis Wireless Handset with backlit LCD screen
- Dynamis Command Station including wireless signal receiver
- Transformer
Features:
• Entry point for the Dynamis DCC system. Control trains and accessories via simple menus
• 9999 Digital locomotive addresses can be controlled
• Direct control of 20 accessory decoders each capable of controlling up to 4 points each
• Allows main track programming of decoder CV values
• Locomotive database for name or icon assigning

E-Z Command Dynamis Pro DCC System 36-506
Contents:
- Dynamis Wireless Handset with backlit LCD screen
- Dynamis Command Station including wireless signal receiver
- Transformer
- Dynamis Pro box
Features:
• Advanced level Dynamis DCC system
• Control trains and accessories via simple menus
• 9999 Digital locomotive addresses can be controlled
• Direct control of 20 accessory decoders each capable of controlling up to 4 points each
• Allows main track programming of decoder CV values
• Separate programming track is also supported
• Locomotive database for name or icon assigning
• Allows up to 4 wireless Dynamis handsets to be used with a single wireless receiver
• Supports ECoSlink high speed network to allow the use of up to 128 further devices such as additional handsets and power boosters
• Allows a second wireless receiver to be used with the system
• Computer interface

So are we to assume that it is made by ESU and is based on the ECoS?

Initially, this system looked like a big system sitting on the desk like the ECoS. Now it becomes clear that this is a wireless handset. Perhaps smaller - more like a games console controller that connects by wireless to the command station.

To those of you who are ECos users: If this is an ECoS based unit and it uses ECoSlink, will it support XpressNet devices?

If this does what it says on the tin then I'm quite keen to see it in action - on my track! (unless Lenz pulls a rabbit out of the hat at Nürnberg).
 

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Just wondering what you get with this?



I take it that this is the wireless hand held controller and the grey box behind it is.........
The command station or the Dynamis Pro Box?

Which is which what does what??

I've read it's going to be £90??

Seems cheap if thats the case.

Ian
 

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Fascinating photo; is this a scoop?

I estimate the dimensions at about 4" x 9"?

David
 

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I haven't seen a photo anywhere else - yet. Well done for getting it up.

We should have some more at the week-end.

It really does look like a kind-of game controller. I wonder how they ended up with a speed controller knob like that?
 

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Got to admit, someone else posted it on another forum!
I just ........borrowed it


I think it looks really good, I wonder what the ECoS wireless controls will look like???

I think Bachmann need to release some more info now!

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>I wonder what the ECoS wireless controls will look like??
I had always thought that the ECoS wireless control would be a small evolution of their current "tasty" but expensive model.

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This is a direct quote from one of the magazines.

"Bachmann unveiled a working prototype of its so-far mysterious Dynamis DCC system at the London Toyfair, revealing a high level of features at a surprisingly low price.

The system has been developed in conjunction with German DCC specialist ESU Loksound and features a compact wireless handset reminiscent of the Playstation Portable (PSP) games console. Dynamis shares many features with the acclaimed ESU ECoS command station (see MR99), but is considerably smaller.

The system promises full NMRA compliance and easy to use controls including a joystick for speed control, locomotive selection and a backlit LCD display packed with information and icons. Alpha-numeric keys will allow users to identify locomotive decoders by name or number.

The basic system will retail at around £90 according to Bachmann and will allow control of up to 9,999 decoder addresses, up to 20 accessory decoders, CV programming 'on the main' and a database of 'favourite' locomotives.

Above this will be the Dynamis 'Pro' system, which will also allow; up to four wireless handsets operating from the same base station, ECoSLink high speed network control of up to 128 additional devices such as boosters and handsets and a computer interface.

Wireless handsets, 'Pro' system upgrade boxes and wireless receivers will be available separately."

Hope this gives a little more info!

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It sounds like this is the only budget system to give the MultiMouse a run for it's money. As it's made by ESU it should be very good. It looks like this may be the best budget system available. I'd be interested to know if the wireless part is compatible with the Ecos as ESU wireless controller isn't cheap?

QUOTE Maybe I should switch to XpressNet? Go on David treat yourself. You know you want one
You'll still be able to use your existing equipment via the Ecossniffer.
 

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As we discussed some time ago, the whole market will change with regard to pricing and specification following the introduction of this wave of new systems.

Whereas before, something like a Lenz compact was regarded as a "budget" system at £100+, the arrival of the Multimouse and NCE PowerCab require us to challenge the concept of "budget".

The capability of these systems is not far short of "fully featured", which creates a Mid-spec. at a new price point.
We could say these are in fact mid-price systems. Budget systems would include EZ Command and Select at £40 (or less).
The Hornby Elite again is a mid-spec, mid-price system retailing at £95 (+or-).

Dynamis again brings us a very comprehensive specification at a mid-price point.

There will come a time when we will have to question the pricing of systems above £200 for what they are giving us?
That time isn't very far away in my opinion.
 

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Agree. Lenz & Co and going to have to re-evaluate their position and perhaps drop their pricing to stay competitive. Alternatively, they should redefine their position as a quality brand and produce a set of products to justify their rational.

In any market, there is always cheap products on one end and expensive on the other. Mostly they all do the same thing, its just the way its done that changes. Just look at the car market.

As Oakydoke says, and to clarify: if Lenz wants to remain mid-spec, they are going to have to drop prices and if they want to go hi-spec, they are going to have to add features and improve the interface considerably.
 

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I think that a large part of this "step change" in system pricing is because the expected sales volume allows the development cost to be spread over a larger number of units. If you also consider that the basic command station technology has now been around for some time, the established manufacturers can afford to sell the "design element" of it more cheaply since the development has already been paid for. That just leaves the cost of designing the graphic touch screen interface. Since ESU have already done this work for Maerklin/Trix, their own unit and now Bachmann, the number of units which will pay for it increases and the price drops accordingly.

As has been said not a few times recently, it will be interesting to see what Lenz announce at the Nuremburg toy fair.

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For all we know Lenz may just have something "up their sleeves" to be announced at Nurberg - we shall see !

It may be that they are content with their existing DCC range & concentrate on their other products, leaving things till the whole ECOS/Elite/Dynamis & so on situation has settled, see which way the market is going before further devolopement. Don't forget that Lenz are a relativly small (but very high quality company with integrity) company.

Apart from a few realiability issues with the Compact you very rarely hear about problems with Lenz equipment.
 

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>Don't forget that Lenz are a relativly small (but very high quality company with integrity) company
When a market matures and goes "main stream" that's the time for the "innovators" to move on.

How much speculation can we get in before the Nuremburg fairs opens?


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QUOTE (Dennis David @ 28 Jan 2007, 00:15) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>When I was there last year it seemed that Lenz was spending more time on their new larger scale train offerings. I wonder if it will be more of the same?




Yes, Lenz have released info on their O-Gauge products. I'm sure they were talking of these last year though:
Check out the rest of the new O-Gauge items for 2007: Lenz O-Gauge 2007 (4.3 MB PDF)
 
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