[jgwilliamson]

Hi,

Do any manufacturers provide models/kits of the the NBL type 2 diesel locos? (Class 21 / 29)?

Also, any recommendations for N gauge DMU models? (eg Cravens 2 cars)

Thanks

John

 

[goedel]

QUOTE (The Lone Groover @ 14 May 2007, 19:44) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Do any manufacturers provide models/kits of the the NBL type 2 diesel locos? (Class 21 / 29)?
Also, any recommendations for N gauge DMU models? (eg Cravens 2 cars)
I must say that having just looked at wikipedia they seem to have been particularly dreadful classes and deserve to be forgotten. The poor things look like they're had their noses cut off! Once re-engineered into Class 29s what sort of train would they have been used for?

Have you tried asking these people:
http://www.ismodels.co.uk/
http://www.tpmodels.co.uk/ (website uses strange Java)
(http://www.dckits.co.uk/ looked promising until I realised it was OO, in fact I'm not really sure because it doesn't say anywhere!)

Goedel

 

[Ravenser]

DC Kits is definitely OO

North British spectacually failed to make the transition from steam to diesel and all their diesel designs (16, 21, 22, original Warship)were more or less dire and consequently shortlived. None are preserved though a 21 made it into Barry and was cut about 1982. The 29s would have been used on the sort of trains the 21s were intended for but usually failed on. Certainly they saw use on the West Highland and Oban lines and on Edinburgh /Aberdeen trains. "Lines out of Glasgow Queen St" may be a fair guess

I'm not entirely sure what the position is for DMUs in N , but I'm reasonably certain there's no RTR Cravens . I think there's a Farish 101 - no idea whether its much good but Metro Cammells did work in Scotland in the late 50s/early 60s. I've no idea whether anyone does DMU kits in N but Taylor Plastic Models would be a good starting point to find out

I'm assuming a Scottish layout in the 60s is in prospect here?

 

[7113]

QUOTE (Ravenser @ 17 Jun 2007, 13:50) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>North British spectacually failed to make the transition from steam to diesel and all their diesel designs (16, 21, 22, original Warship)were more or less dire and consequently shortlived. None are preserved though a 21 made it into Barry and was cut about 1982.

D6121 or 6122 (it depended on which cab you looked at) was cut up in 1980 along with D601 "Ark Royal" 9F 92085(?) and a funny little green thing from Swindon. In the depths of my photo collection I have photos of the two diesels. It really is a great shame they didn't survive a bit longer and get snapped up for preservation.

Regards

John

 

[Edwin]

http://www.worsleyworks.freeserve.co.uk/N/...locomotives.htm

Never used them but I believe they are 'scratchbuilding aids' rather than anything that could be described as a kit!

Some DMUs on there too.

 

[Ravenser]

I've not used them either but know about them by reputation.

"aids to scratchbuilding" is the normal excuse/euphemism for something unbuildable. That isn't the case here.

Allan Dougherty is effectively 3mm scale's house etcher - if you want something , then you supply him the artwork for the etch, he'll do it , and you get your etched whatever. Then he adds it to his range. That's where most of this stuff comes from and he's got a very big range . Obviously etching technology allows him to scale up to 4mm and scale down to 2mm.

But naturally he doesn't sort out the castings or any other bits for the client. What you get with "Scratch Aids" is the etch. Nothing else. You have to sort out and souce the other bits, and work out how to get them together . Any instructions cover the etch only.

Effectively they're incomplete kits, not poor kits.

 

[jgwilliamson]

QUOTE (goedel @ 17 Jun 2007, 05:06) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I must say that having just looked at wikipedia they seem to have been particularly dreadful classes and deserve to be forgotten. The poor things look like they're had their noses cut off! Once re-engineered into Class 29s what sort of train would they have been used for?

Have you tried asking these people:
http://www.ismodels.co.uk/
http://www.tpmodels.co.uk/ (website uses strange Java)
(http://www.dckits.co.uk/ looked promising until I realised it was OO, in fact I'm not really sure because it doesn't say anywhere!)

Goedel
Cheers Geodel,
Thanks for the links, I've not across them before. One for the bookmarks!
Regards
John

 

[jgwilliamson]

QUOTE (Ravenser @ 17 Jun 2007, 13:50) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>DC Kits is definitely OO

North British spectacually failed to make the transition from steam to diesel and all their diesel designs (16, 21, 22, original Warship)were more or less dire and consequently shortlived. None are preserved though a 21 made it into Barry and was cut about 1982. The 29s would have been used on the sort of trains the 21s were intended for but usually failed on. Certainly they saw use on the West Highland and Oban lines and on Edinburgh /Aberdeen trains. "Lines out of Glasgow Queen St" may be a fair guess

I'm not entirely sure what the position is for DMUs in N , but I'm reasonably certain there's no RTR Cravens . I think there's a Farish 101 - no idea whether its much good but Metro Cammells did work in Scotland in the late 50s/early 60s. I've no idea whether anyone does DMU kits in N but Taylor Plastic Models would be a good starting point to find out

I'm assuming a Scottish layout in the 60s is in prospect here?

You're spot on Ravenser!

My aim is to model the GNSR at the start of the 1960's. As you probably know steam was withdrawn in that part of the country earlier than most, and the NBL type 2's (originally allocated to the south-east of England) were re-allocated to the north-east of Scotland when it became clear how unreliable they were. Having said that the Inverurie Loco works did an immense job in keeping them running thereafter.
In spite of their poor history, I still quite like the look of them, and they were certainly well cared for in the north, as photos like this shows:

http://www.gnsra.org.uk/gnsra_gallery_stations_83.htm

All the best

John

 

[jgwilliamson]

QUOTE (Edwin @ 18 Jun 2007, 16:20) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>http://www.worsleyworks.freeserve.co.uk/N/...locomotives.htm

Never used them but I believe they are 'scratchbuilding aids' rather than anything that could be described as a kit!

Some DMUs on there too.

Thanks Edwin

That Class 29 kit looks the biz!

John

 

[bernardTPM]

The poor things look like they're had their noses cut off!

Goedel
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That's exactly how they were derived. Large parts of the cab were cast in aluminium. The smaller NB type 2s (both diesel-electric and diesel hydraulic) used these without the nose fitted on the bigger A1A-A1A Warships which had a small nose end. Since they were originally styled with the noses they never really looked right without them!
The Cl.29 rebuilds were considerably better than the originals, but were too few in number to survive for long.

As well as the Worsley etches, Langley do a cast whitemetal kit, sold as a Cl.29, but actually a Cl.21.