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Just announced today in the ESU new items brochure.

See http://www.lokshop.de/

Us ECOS owners are about to have an oudated product, at least in terms of the screen...


I have not had time to scan the German text in full, but I can't immediately spot any enhanced functionaility, though there is mention of it working with the Dynamis Pro Box from Bachmann.

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A few pages further into the brochure there is also an ESU Navigator Wireless Base Station and hadnheld units, which appear to use the same basic casework as the Bachmann Dynamis, but are in white with a black trim, not sure about the colour scheme!
 

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It's got different style function buttons too.

We were discussing this on the ECoS forum and I was told that it will cost another 200 euros for a colour screen.

I suppose they had to do this to compete with Commander and CS2 but the price will go up substantially to accomodate this.

The screen looks the same but will the same software updates apply to both or will there have to be two updates for each type of ECoS?

It seems that they are continuing with "our" version of the ECoS so it isn't really outdated, just not top of the range anymore.

The Radio Control for ECoS has been announced for some time but hasn't yet become available. Looks like this Navigator is the German version of the Dynamis.

I like the new ECoSlink terminals, that will be handy.

The ECoS detector seems to be their own S88.
 

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QUOTE The ECoS detector seems to be their own S88.
I've taken a close look at this and am pretty certain it's an ECoSLink unit to replace "unreliable S88" detectors. The system diagram on page 7 of the brochure shows a detector hooked up to ECoSLink. I shoved the text about the detector on page 8 through Babel fish which is where I got the unreliable bit from. It is certainly difficult to pick that up as a non-German speaker. All we see is "Detector" and "S88".

I've only done a little translation on the detailed spec for the Detector. The picture looks like a SwitchPilot so I am already thinking - "Expensive". Then I read it will support 16 sections and I'm thinking "seriously expensive". The paragraph labelled "Clever" talks about integration with the ECoS routing module blowing whistles. I guess this is a new feature for the Shuttle programme? There appear to be some counter measures for dirty track messing with the detection. The software in the Detector can be updated. Now I'm wondering if it will "extravagantly expensive"? There's also stuff about how it uses RailCOM but there appears to be a caveat about switching off RailCOM in locomotive decoders.

There's also an extender unit for the Detector. This appears to be for converting Detector information into signals which can be used to drive LEDs on mimic panels.

The new colour screen looks like it's just a pretty "skin" running on top of the underlying software we know and love. It's a bit like running Windows in colour vs Black & White. Very pretty loco pictures but if you can't load your own, why would any UK modeller care?

There's a section on page 10 which assures 50000 owners (that's us B&W early adopters) that software for the two systems will continue in parallel and all new functions will be available for both units always. It goes on to say that it is technically impossible to retrofit a colour screen to the mono units.

The Navigator is Infra Red based so as Neil said it sounds pretty much like the Dynamis pro box. They mention that the Dynamis pro can be hooked up the ECoS. As the wireless units are so expensive, I guess they have to offer an IR option but I don't think it would suit my layout location. They do say it has a line of sight requirement. It seems the Navigator has an adjustable output voltage of 15V to 21V.

There is a question and answer on the radio control which states that although the radio control looks like the Dynamis IR control, the display and underlying functionality are completely different. The radio control can do a lot more.

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Controllers are becoming a bit like PCs. No matter how high spec you go, as soon as you walk out of the door it's obsolete.

Personally I'm not too bothered at not having a colour screen provided ESU continue to support the B&W one.
 

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QUOTE (Expat @ 31 Jan 2009, 04:13) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Controllers are becoming a bit like PCs. No matter how high spec you go, as soon as you walk out of the door it's obsolete.

Unfortunatly, a by product of the world we live in.

I must admit that an ECOS was on my shopping list, till the VN Commander came out, but now the ECOS is available with colour screen............
 

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I think it would be fairly reasonable to assume that we might see price drops on the, now so called, old model.

So any one interested in buying one, not captivated by the color screen, I guess this might be the right time.

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QUOTE (Expat @ 31 Jan 2009, 04:13) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Controllers are becoming a bit like PCs. No matter how high spec you go, as soon as you walk out of the door it's obsolete.

Personally I'm not too bothered at not having a colour screen provided ESU continue to support the B&W one.

Everything I have read suggests both B & W and colour versions will be supported. The only difference is the colour of the screen.
Having a colour screen would be nice but I don't think it will make any difference how my trains run.

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QUOTE (iansa @ 1 Feb 2009, 11:38) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Everything I have read suggests both B & W and colour versions will be supported. The only difference is the colour of the screen.
Having a colour screen would be nice but I don't think it will make any difference how my trains run.

Ian
That's right Ian. At around 200 euro extra, I don't consider it worth it.
 

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QUOTE (Expat @ 31 Jan 2009, 04:13) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Controllers are becoming a bit like PCs. No matter how high spec you go, as soon as you walk out of the door it's obsolete.

Of course the ESU IS a PC running Linux!
 

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They are also offering their LokSound XL decoder for G gauge with preloaded sounds for a British class 66. iten 51371 on page 42 of the PDF.
 
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