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Hi Folks And now we have another Rails/Dapol commission for the SECR D class 4.4.0. All I hope is that this time they actually make a model that is far better than their last few steam era 4mm products. With a string of below par models recently in terms of accuracy it is rather worrying that this model will join the likes of the Terrier, B4, GWR Railcar, Stove R and Diesel brake tender in being poorly researched and designed and well below the standards of the best currently available.

One of the biggest puzzles to me is the fact that in July 2012 Dapol showed a Terrier CAD for their 7mm model in the form of an IOW extended bunker A1x with Drummond chimney with only one noticeable error. By 2014 the A1x as produced was littered with errors. Even the Spectacle windows were correctly placed in 2012 but all the mistakes in 7mm were perpetuated in the 4mm version. Rails had to request retooling of the spectacle windows but the other errors remain, even those pointed out on RMweb 5 years ago. Clearly Dapol take little or no interest in correcting their errors even when they have had ample time to do so.
 

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Hi Folks With reference Hattons 4 & 6 wheel coaches I really cannot see why a range of fictional designs with a range of different liveries is actually a better idea than a range of accurate coaches also in the same series of liveries. At least one group of modellers gets the benefit of accurate coaches whilst nobody gets accurate coaches if the designs are freelance. Provided a series of prototypes is chosen with features that are not completely unique to that railway, they should satisfy just as many modellers who do not want that specific livery and make those who model it extremely happy. Modellers have been chopping GWR clerestories and other coaches and seem quite happy with the lack of accuracy of the finished result but just imagine how happy the GWR modellers would have been if Triang had made accurate models in the first instance. I know how frustrated I was when I found it so difficult to produce other GWR coaches because the compartment spacing of the "First/Second" ?? did not match standard GWR dimensions. It would have been so easy to make that coach usable yet still the same overall length if that was a design parameter.
 

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Hi Folks Sadly I have to agree with 34C that Hattons are most probably trying to avoid getting entangled with the Freelance versus Accurate scale arguments and it seems they are not alone. Most of Oxford Rails products clearly follow this course and we have seen other rather more respected firms taking the same part. However these models are not described as "GENERIC" but are supposedly accurate.
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Hi Folks I am afraid Ryan has misinterpreted my last comments. I was saying that Hattons ARE saying their models are freelance/generic whilst others claim their models to be accurate when they have failed miserably in some instances. Ryan has presumably never seen the Triang/Hornby shorty clerestories nor the scale length types nor the Caledonian railway bogie coaches nor the lovely little 4 wheelers to go with the Rocket model. The fact that these coaches, apart from the Rocket ones, are far from accurate makes them no less Pre-grouping. I suspect that with the long life they have led and, in the case of the shorty clerestories with other liveries, Midland? and NER? these models have already sold far more for Hornby than Hattons will manage.
I assume Ryan has not noticed the re-appearance of the GWR shorty clerestories in this years catalogue ?? I think I may have already mentioned the kits by Keysers for LBSC, LNWR and GWR 4 or 6 wheel coaches but they have been long gone. Even though I own the Patterns I doubt whitemetal kits would still be saleable. Another source of pre-grouping LSWR coaches are the rebuilds by the SR in the 1930s which I have no doubt some modellers are making good use of.
 

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Hi Folks I am afraid Ryan still has not followed what I posted, especially as neither he nor I mentioned the horrible tiny 4 wheel coaches by Hornby. I still stick to my belief that Hattons would be better to choose a couple of accurate coach groups, probably one for the 4 wheelers and a different one for the 6 wheeled types. Should one of the liveries prove highly popular and Hattons even do a rerun, their generic models will dissuade anyone else from making accurate versions as the market will be largely satisfied already. This is exactly what will happen with the duplicated Terriers, although they are both far from accurate, no one is now going to invest in producing a truly PEDIGREE version as the sales will be largely gone for a generation or more.
 

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Hi Folks I am thinking that Hattons are not actually aiming their GENESIS coaches at the toy train market and certainly not at the finescale modellers either. I very much suspect that the target audience are the collectors. They have little interest in scale models but can be tapped to buy pretty models, especially those which come in a set as Hattons intend. Since these sets are relatively cheap and don't take up much cupboard space I can see the collectors lapping these up.
I would love to know which prototypes Hattons chose as a basis for their designs as clearly some companies such as the LNWR and GNR bear so little resemblance that they can be ruled out, other than for their liveries. I suspect one or two companies are forming some sort of basis for the designs but already contributors on another forum are suggesting revisions to various aspects of the designs, Perhaps coming up with their fictional design has proved less successful than actually making the coaches accurate. Using prototype information is often less complex than trying to design something from scratch.
 

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Hi Folks Well let's hope Hattons next venture is not a range of generic misshapen PO wagons with 10' wb chassis and unauthentic liveries to go with these generic coaches. The first "Modern" 00 RTR 4 wheel coaches that I know of were those by Graham Farish in the early '50s which were certainly proposed and probably produced as I saw them in their offices in Dorset many years ago. They were the predecessors to their N gauge models and looked exactly the same. Certainly very generic as they had no panelling at all. They may not have gone into full production as I believe they would have appeared about the time the first generation of G F 4mm models was about to cease production. They certainly did not appear when G F re-entered the 4mm market with their new flexible plastic track and points range etc etc.
I wonder if Hattons will attempt the fully lined LNER livery on these coaches like some existing GER coaches bodies still retain with faux teak graining as well !! The panelling style is at least very similar to that proposed by Hattons. It will be very interesting to see just how some of the proposed liveries stand up when applied to panelling which is totally different to the original. I am sure they will sell OK unless someone else comes along with accurate body designs and liveries. At the moment the only contender would seem to be if Dapol make LBSC coaches for their 7mm Terrier and then shrink-ray them down to 4mm. That might put the car among the pigeons at least as far as LBSC and Southern liveries are concerned.
 
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