[Hugh Williams]

QUOTE (COACHMANN @ 19 Feb 2008, 20:03) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I wondered if there is any reason why they would not fit Peco Code 75 points? Does anyone know the price of this surface unit?

Coachmann

They can be bought for around £4.50 - 5.00. I will try one out on a code 75 point this week and post the result.

They are pretty useful because they can be fitted under platforms and allow low level superstructures on the side of layouts. At present most of my point work is actioned by PL10's (surface mounted - I couldn't gather enough time or energy to fit the point motors under the board) located on the board edge with rodding connected to the points. The height of these PL10's prohibited fitting in inclines in the area these were situated. I can now use the PL11 either adjacent to the points themselves, as they fit between the parallel tracks, or simply replace the PL10's. In respect of the post about using a CDU, which is what the makers advise, my accessory decoders are using either 5A off the main controller, or 3A off the Lenz TR100's, which seems ample for the job in hand. One of the point motors has been attached to the SMD82 accessory decoder, which has a CDU onboard, but run off a separate bus allocated to point accessory decoders.

The view can be taken that they are too large to be realistic, but they do the job, and can be more easily hidden/disguised. How long they will last is another matter. The nearest I have seen to these are Shinohara system point motors, which look very similar, although I have yet to handle an example.

Hornby have yet to produce their version.

Sorry, Coachmann, if I have hi-jacked your post to reply to other posts.

I have bought from MG Sharp at Sheffield and Kent Panel Control who were at the BRM Railway Ex. at Harrogate.

Cheers,

Hugh Williams

 

[rdh765730]

help please
just fitted n wired 2 of these
unfortunately only switch one way
anyone got any ideas why????
using lenz 150 unit
do i need a capacity discharge unit????
if so where do i fit it???
any help would be very much appreciated
richard

 

[upnick]

Richard,

As far as CDU unit goes here is a link to a wiring diagram for a CDU hope it helps if it is compatible to your equipment i am not sure but a call to gaugemaster could prove useful as their tech team are very informative.

http://www.gaugemaster.co.uk/instructions/cdu.pdf

The tech team are on ........ 01903 884488

upnick.

 

[rdh765730]

QUOTE (upnick @ 22 Feb 2008, 01:13) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Richard,

As far as CDU unit goes here is a link to a wiring diagram for a CDU hope it helps if it is compatible to your equipment i am not sure but a call to gaugemaster could prove useful as their tech team are very informative.

http://www.gaugemaster.co.uk/instructions/cdu.pdf

The tech team are on ........ 01903 884488

upnick.
upnick
thanks will try
richard

 

[Hugh Williams]

QUOTE (rich1600 @ 21 Feb 2008, 18:58) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>help please
just fitted n wired 2 of these
unfortunately only switch one way
anyone got any ideas why????
using lenz 150 unit
do i need a capacity discharge unit????
if so where do i fit it???
any help would be very much appreciated
richard

Hi,

I am wondering if you are using the green wire as common; for me using the Lenz 150, all I do is put the green wire in the common and the other coloured wires in whichever way. There seems more than enough power from the accessory decoder to throw the point motor, I am using the Lenz TR100, which outputs 3 amps and my track output is 13.8V at 5 Amps. Is it possible that you don't have enough power to throw the switch in the opposite direction. Also, how far away from the decoder is the point motor?

Is one of the switch wires not connecting correctly in the Lenz 150?

What controller are you using, as this might have some bearing on the problem?

Just a few thoughts on the way.

Regards,

Hugh

 

[flash2]

i have just setup 2 of these on some peco setrack N gauge points and thay seem to be working fine (pinned in place). one thing i will say is thay pull 1.2-1.5 amps on switchihing so you need a decent power supply or maybe the CDU (i was running off the psu to test them)

 

[44/45/46's]

cheers for that info FLASH2 thats great news

 

[breastonstation]

I am not sure if I missed anything, but are these available now? (peco side motors)? would they work/be compatible with Hornby Points Decoder (that black blob with 4 ports).

Many thanks

 

[flash2]

iirc hattons dont have them in stock at the mo i got mine of ebay @ £5 ea (flair rail). As for the hornby decoder i am not sure wether or not it will work due to the current requirements but i may be wrong

 

[80class]

As the topic of scale point motors has been raised, here at 1:1 scale model taken on Friday in Aberdeen just before I got on the train to Glasgow for MRS:

Rob

 

[breastonstation]

thanks for the info Flash2. Will have to buy one and give it a go with a Hornby and a Peco operating off 1 decoder. Will be interesting to find out. I still prefer the point levers and switches, never had any my self but I know for a fact you dont have to remember what number a point is then program it

Cheers

 

[Richard Johnson]

QUOTE (80class @ 25 Feb 2008, 00:22) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>As the topic of scale point motors has been raised, here at 1:1 scale model taken on Friday in Aberdeen just before I got on the train to Glasgow for MRS:
Rob

*** Nice example / useful image! There's a lot of interesting detail there for the observant modeller Rob, apart from the small size of the motor....

Two types of nice fine rail clips/pandrol clips securing the running rails, plus heavy point rail chairs.

Two nice fine tiebars on the point Vs the over heavy "Peco plank with knobs" modellers put up with

Wider speepers than Peco use, wider spacing than Peco use.....

Nice variety of ballast size, lots of green moss or whatever....

Drainage?? Opening in platform sidewall

Richard
DCCconcepts

 

[Edwin]

QUOTE (80class @ 24 Feb 2008, 15:22) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>As the topic of scale point motors has been raised, here at 1:1 scale model taken on Friday in Aberdeen just before I got on the train to Glasgow for MRS:

This is of a type known as a clamp lock. The point is powered by a hydraulic cylinder running laterally between the rails, not much bigger than a tiebar. You can just see the yellow covers protecting the ends of the clamp lock where they protrude outside the rails. The silver box is a pump which powers the hydraulics. Though this one isn't, the box is often located clear of the track so that emergency manual operation of the point (and some maintenance tasks) can take place from a place of safety, leaving very little equipment around the point itself.

You will also see conventional point machines of various types, the new Peco motor looks a little like these but is way over scale. Some new installations use the HPSS which has a rotating rod and various yellow covers between the rails.

 

[Putzi]

Further to earlier comments, which show that the PL-11 works with Peco N gauge code 80 setrack points (ST-5 and ST-6), I wonder if they work with N gauge code 80 streamline points too (SL-386-7,394-397) as the original Peco announcement suggested?

Possibly the geometry between setrack and streamline points is different, i.e. if the point blades move a shorter distance on the streamline ones, then they won't work with the PL-11?

I ask because I'm trying to achieve a higher track density in my storage yard, so a streamline point would be preferable to a setrack point.

 

[SalixFelix]

Does anyone know if they only work / fit on the "straight" side of the turnout, or can the be "persuaded" to fit on the curved side too, especially of wider radius turnouts?

 

[kittybrewster]

To be honest I'm not convinced, they would be ok in a fiddle yard out of the way,but on a scenic section especially, if you have gone to the trouble to use code 75 they would look out of place,now if peco had come out with a reasonably priced( motor gear box) type of point motor that I would be impressed with.

 

[Hugh Williams]

Hi,

It's a while since I visited the forum and since having laid out some of these point motors, I have realised that I still have a need for the old PL10's. This comes about by needing switches for the Signals, which have to be synched with the point motors! Consequently, I have wired in the PL10 into the same output as the PL11. This needs a good 5A system when working with DCC, not to mention a separate bus; however, it isn't too hard to arrange this.

I bumped into a Peco rep in a model shop and pointed out this little matter. Giving it some thought, it wouldn't take too much to build the motor's pcb so that it acts as a switch for a signal. The signal could then be wired into the front end of the point motor.

It is always possible that this was thought of, but not designed in, as Peco have to keep up the sales of the PL10! (Cynic mode coming on here!).

Regards,

Hugh Williams

 

[Putzi]

QUOTE (Putzi @ 23 Nov 2009, 12:04) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Further to earlier comments, which show that the PL-11 works with Peco N gauge code 80 setrack points (ST-5 and ST-6)
And here is proof that Peco PL-11 motors do work with N scale track, in this case code 80 N gauge setrack points. Peco recommend 16V AC at 2A but in my video below I am using 11V DC at 2A as a temporary test set up. There is no reason why 16V AC should not be able to reproduce this, as long as there is enough "grunt" (current) in the power supply etc.?

This is of course not a "subtle" solution for a scenic area but is very convenient to do for hidden storage yards (even better if they are full enclosed i.e. partially soundproofed!), and is going to save me hours and hours otherwise spent mounting point motors underneath the baseboard. And I was so looking forward to all of that hole-making, rod alignment and cursing...!

Kind regards, and I believe the sound track is Handel on Radio 3!

 

[dwb]

Nice video; it reminds me of a "hunt and peck" typist...

David

 

[Roy Low]

My introduction to Peco point motors mounted UNDER the layout convinced me that the endless problems to keep the adjustments spot-on were not worth the realistic looks.
When I built my own layout, I opted for side-mounted point motors - what a pleasure. It takes a couple of minutes to change the whole motor, and no contortions under the layout. Good on Peco !

Roy Low