Right where do i start with this nonsence.
QUOTE (Gary)If kit builders believe it is a hopeless case it is very unfair to have a pop at Hornby or Bachmann for whom an investment would mean £100,000's. I don't buy the argument that if you build the models the market will snap them up. They won't and there is no futire in producing puffing billy and the like.
I was not having a pop at hornby or bachmann for not producing the models. i dont care where they come from or if they are ready to run r in kit form (so long as the kits are of resonable quality).
I would love to know where this "£100,000's" figure has come from. i had a good giggle at that one!! are you seriously suggesting it would cost as much to tool a puffing billy as it does to tool the flying scotsman.
QUOTE (Gary)Marklin have the archives to produce such models which brings costs right down. There is absolutely nothing to stop them updating old tools if they believe there is a fast buck in it for them. You have also have to remember that German locos pretty much all look the same across the whole of Germany with a single operator so appeal is very wide which is definitely is not the case for British locos with all the different reqions of the UK having their own seperate identity. So in addition to the UK market being 16% the size of Germany there are also 4 or 5 strong regional identities further fragmenting the UK market and on this basis Hornby and Bachmann are miracle workers!!!
I frankly find this whole statement utter nonsence. i am strugelling to see anything in it that is true in any way, shape or form.
Marklin have been in the business for a long time but you have to remember that they cant reissue tin-plate models to run on our track. the archives are far less complete than the brittish archives and there are many survivors dating right back to the dawn of railways that can only be "best-guessed" in germany.
What single operator? sorry gary but you need to do some history. german railway history is basically very similar to our own. started with lots of tin pot companies which formed into the big 8 which was eventually nationalised in the 1920's. each had its distinctive look. gernam railway history is far more fragmented than our own.
Your statement that the loco's all looked basically the same is just utter crap.
Where i think we let our manufacturers down is buy being too fussy about what we buy. this fasion for modelling xxxxxx between april the 19th at 2.23pm 1944 and august 19th at 9.27pm is really letting our manufacturers down. i understand why people do it but i think people need to broaden their horizons a little. this attitude makes it very difficult for the manufacturers to do alot more than produce boxes on wheels that can be painted in an infinate number of liveries. there are so many wonderfull prototypes out there.
QUOTE (Gary)And Marklin need a fast buck else they are down the pan as would any company be, small or large, who introduces loss making items that do not sell in the numbers required. Hornby and Bachmann are not charities as some here seem to believe!
However pedro you are convinced! We have not had a good poll for a long time so why don't you organise one?
Have a simple question like would you be interested in Hornby or Bachmann giving development priority to puffing billy and similar locos from the 1850-1900 period? Yes or no.
You seem to have totally ignored the novelty aspect of modelling in your post. something which i happen to think affects sales a great deal. I dont thnk there would be laughter from the retailers at all. I happen to think a blue pullman or a re issue of the APT would sell very well for this same reason. they look cool!!!
Have either Hornby or Bachmann introduced a single loss maker in the last say 15 years?
would you care to give examples of where people on this forum think Hornby or bachmann have been concidered charities.
I wont start a poll for 3 reasons.
1. i hate polls
2. i simply cant be bothered.
3. i dont think MRF is a good place to do that kind of excercise. its an international forum.