[zedbob]

QUOTE (neil_s_wood @ 29 Nov 2007, 21:38) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Now now, It's not all like Dunfermline.

I used to think it was bizarre that they referred to Liverpool and Manchester as "the north" on the weather when I was a kid as they were only a third of the way up the country. Even in English terms they are only in the middle. Just shows you how Londoncentric the establishment is.

Bizarre??? Let me tell you...

I live in Scotland, once Edinburgh now Dundee, and have to put up with everyone calling 'the North' as Liverpool, Manchester etc. A good bit South of where I am. Very bizarre.

 

[Sir Galahad]

QUOTE (neil_s_wood @ 29 Nov 2007, 21:38) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Now now, It's not all like Dunfermline.

I used to think it was bizarre that they referred to Liverpool and Manchester as "the north" on the weather when I was a kid as they were only a third of the way up the country. Even in English terms they are only in the middle. Just shows you how Londoncentric the establishment is.

More like DUMPfermline.

I agree with Zedbob. It is kinda weird that Manchester is the North but it's South but it's north?!

 

[neil_s_wood]

What really got up my nose was when I was at University in London, they referred to Scotland as part of "the North". I think there's a lot of people who see the UK as London, threst being "the North" and "the West".

 

[ozwarrior]

I like the north of England and Scotland. In fact some parts of Scotland reminded very much of New Zealand. Maybe that's why so many Scots settled there ay!

 

[34C]

The bit that matters is bounded on the North by Cambridge, and to the West by Oxford, (fortresses of learning against the outer darkness) and to the south and East by the sea. Beyond that there are a few islands of culture (such as Edinburgh, Durham, York) in a wild and dangerous wasteland.

 

[alastairq]

lancashire is considerd oop north......why not Yorkshire..which is more north and east of lancashire....?

I live in east Yorkshire, which is roughly on the same latitude as the Lake district....obvioulsy not as ' up north' as Newcastle....but....

a phrase that bugged me was the reference to the Home counties....what a pompous descrition...home to who?

sadly I feel London ought to be physically isolated from the rest of the UK......it no longer being 'representative' of this country.

 

[neil_s_wood]

QUOTE (alastairq @ 2 Dec 2007, 00:18) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>lancashire is considerd oop north......why not Yorkshire..which is more north and east of lancashire....?

I live in east Yorkshire, which is roughly on the same latitude as the Lake district....obvioulsy not as ' up north' as Newcastle....but....

a phrase that bugged me was the reference to the Home counties....what a pompous descrition...home to who?

sadly I feel London ought to be physically isolated from the rest of the UK......it no longer being 'representative' of this country.
I always thought that the capital should be relocated to somewhere more geographically central say Manchester, Sheffield or Leeds. A lot of Britain's problems emanate from the focus on the capital. Something more substantial than a tip of the hat by relocating the DVLC to Swansea is required.

I thought Yorkshire was regarded as North. My Wife and her family are from Sheffield which is as South as Yorkshire gets and they regard themselves as Northern.

 

[34C]

History lesson. York actually was the capital of Northern England: the remnant of which is England's second Archbishop being based there. Durham was important as the administrative centre on the dangerous Northern border, again a Bishop Palatine (Prince Bishop) is the historic remnant. The rapid communication developments of the 19th century - which led to the models which are our favourite topic here - actually undid a lot of the importance of regional centres as the whole territory came within a days range of London. People now commute daily from 200 miles North to work in The City. Possibly if London's global influence declines significantly then regional centres in England will emerge from its' shadow. But historical inertia is a powerful thing, and London has getting on for 2,000 years as a place of importance. And the English cannot be blamed. It's a Celtic settlement, developed by the Romans, whose major routes radiating from London are still visible in our transport infrastructure. The English simply moved in and built on what they found. The outcome of events, rather than by human design.

 

[Sol]

Neil, if you think the UK capital should be "somewhere more geographically central ", does this mean that Australia should have its' capital at Alice Springs

 

[neil_s_wood]

QUOTE (Sol @ 2 Dec 2007, 11:22) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Neil, if you think the UK capital should be "somewhere more geographically central ", does this mean that Australia should have its' capital at Alice Springs

Why not Ron? It's as relevant as Canberra!

 

[Sol]

Agreed

 

[Invicta]

QUOTE (pedromorgan @ 29 Nov 2007, 14:04) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Great detective work invicta!!

Worthy of Sherlock himself!

Peter

to be honest, little or no detective work was involved- I've been holidaying around North Wales for years and know the Menai Bridge/Llanfair PG area of Anglesey fairly well- must have driven past the Pringle/EWM shop about a dozen times in a week earlier this year....

 

[ozwarrior]

I was reading the other day (I can't remember where) that there's the possibility that the UK's population will reach 100 million. So I suppose there's more changes on the way.

 

[dwb]

QUOTE there's the possibility that the UK's population will reach 100 million

and based on the growth rate of railways from the 1840's decade the whole country would have been covered in rail by 1900. In other words it is dangerous to extrapolate data too far. There's an interesting programme on Radio 4 at 4.30pm on a Monday at present called "more or less" where this kind of question is investigated from time to time. I heard more of it than I wanted today due to the jam caused by a vehicle that appeared to have stalled whilst trying to make it up a steep hill.

David

 

[ozwarrior]

Just a quickie to say the latest Collector mentions there's been much interest in the wagon and that the phone number to order one is:

01248 71717

Hope this helps!