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OK well nstand by for some pics of the OO9 as I now have a working railway, as an OO man I have found the delicate OO9 track quite difficult and my natural attitude is to bash it into shape, OO9 will not stand such treatment, the other thing is that the Heljan locomotives are ultra very and excessively sensitive to anything other than perfectly laid and flat track, anything else is trouble, so more on this subject when I load some pictures up tom Imgur.
 

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OK well now a bit of railway scene. As you know I gave up on trying to fit a n arrow gauge tewrminal into Towcaster and have built a stand alone model, even here space is limited so the idea of about 3 stations will not work, additionally I have gone earlier with the model so it is 1925, this is before the Leyland Tita/Tiger appeared and wiped out passenger traffic on such railways but as yet no people have turned up.

Also there are quite a few electrofrog points so I have added droppers and this in turn needs isolating sections in places so those have to be added, somewhere I have a ready made switch panel for this job but blowed if I can find it.

As said elsewhere the idea is for a Lynton and Minehead railway with extension to Porlock Weir, another to Minehead harbour and a logging as well as a iron ore mine, there is fish traffic and oysters from the Weir whilst also coal is brought in from South Wales plus a bit of touroid traffic.

Anyway here is Porlock station as laid out, top line and loop goes left towards Porlock Weir, the lower line and loop goes up the hill to Lynton left, the siding far right is for logging and timber work, general sidings to the fore, yet to be worked is is the coal yard, genmeral goods and the loco/carriage sheds as you can see a lot to pack in.

 

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The line along the top is the return loop and as such for the platform area trains should always have front/smokebox to the left for going uphill

I have a temporary loop end, this will go further and include a fiddle yar to hold 4-6 trains, in the meantime SWMBO has added her Lilliput Lane collection which is more like TT scale however I'll work them in somewhere, in this view the line right goes back to Porlock, the line left goes around the back of the layout as the return loop and just left hanging in between is the Weir line I have yet to decide how I'll treat this one. either a terminal with loops or as part of the return loop fiddle yard.

 

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OK so with 100 views per item I guess some are interested so I'll keep going.

The picture below is the Minehead end loop, I would have liked to include Minehead and the short harbour branch but all I can do is the return loop the centre of which is full of building materials and as you see on the left side the loop has to almost undertake a 270 degree turn to get lined up for Porlock Stationso the track curves about all over the boards owing to the shape of the layout possible.
 

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While I am on the layout aspects I show this part of the return loop

The Heljan 2-6-2t Mannning Wardle L&B locos are really delightfully finished, heavy and far from cheap however this loco will not go around curves less than 12 inch radius and the photo shows the Lynton end loop so on the left is the Peco radius 1 curve which is 9 inches radius, - no way will the Heljan locos even look at this and in the bottom of the box is a note to that effect, even 12 inches is tight so I have eased from this where I can.

The picture shows the main line loop and this is between 12 and 12.5 inches radius, on the left is the 9 inch standard pre set curve by PECO and to show this to the right I have added a 12 inch radius tracksetta. Not surprisingly the amount of space required is a lot more so for those who have tight OO9 layouts unless you can relay to 12plus inch radius the Heljan is not for you, even Peco screwed this one up, narrow gauge setrack plans booklet shows Blackmoor Gate and yes it has 9 inch radius curves - well it can't have 9 inch curves, now there is a lot more coming regarding these locos as I have 2 of them one is very slightly better than the other but they are very similar in terms of radius tolerance.

 

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Well with all that out of the way I thought I would have a look at my stock.

So first up is the Minitrains Decauville 0-6-0t A8 I think, basically the WW1 trench loco for the French army and doing what the Baldwin did for our lot, So this is an HO model and is quite a bit smaller than the Baldwin and the Heljan which are OO, however that difference isn't so apparent as it would be between OO and HO and it doen't really matter anyway.
The little Decauville came in at about £145 which is quite a lot really but is was nice right out of the box, no hesitation, runs very smoothly and hauls a good load, it looks quite British as well and they were said to be similar to a Kerr Stuart loco but anyway it does not look out of place. So a nice loco mine is as you see in overall black but there are some alternative livery options, clearly it has no bother with tight radius curves either so a nice buy and I am pleased with it.

Turns out my photo is not so good so I'll take another one of it soon.
 

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QUOTE the Heljan locomotives are ultra very and excessively sensitive to anything other than perfectly laid and flat track
Sounds familiar ....


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Well David that's what I think as well having a 47xx, 2 x O2's and a Garrett (well no Hattons have that and owe me a reply!)

I think it is fair to say that Heljan are getting a bad reputation here and a retailer told me last week that he was offerred a load of the Heljans cheap but he declined to invest, so the delightful model of the Manning Wardle is not going well overall and it is fair to say I have had difficulties of my own with them, more on this later.

The first loco I purchased back in 2013 for OO9 was the Roco class 99 0-6-0t a feldbahn loco, not sure about where this came from as I was confused by information on Google anyway the model at the time was about £63 which was a good price and like the Decauville is a similar size, I improved the traction by adding a 10 gram weight into the cab and it happily runs round, takes any curve radius, pulls well, looks OK if a bit Germanic so a decent buy for low cost.

 

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Next up the deseasel, again an offering from Roco and made to HOe scale so a bit small but in no way looks out of place even less so then the Br 99 and the Decauville. The loco is a real sweetie as is confirmed by one of our regulars as he says above, I can only find positives about this loco which is nice and it is quite cheap, not sure how much I paid but must have been about £85 anyway no regrets there at all, it runs beautifully and I rather thought it could work Minehead to the harbour with its lower pollution levels however as I have given up on making a Minehead station as I have a general lack of space then iot'll just wander around being useful. In all ways it is a useful addition and I am happy to recommend this little diamond.

 

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Next up the Bachmann Baldwin 4-6-0 aka 10-12-D - no I have no idea why that is the designation hope someone can tell me? anyway this is quite a wide locomotive similar to the width of the Manning Wardle of the Heljan production. That said the Bachmann effort is shorter but clearly they are of the same aspect and they look well together.

I now have two of these a pristine black one 'Bridget' and now a weathered 'Hummy' this later loco was bought yesterday as the last model rail shop in Exeter is closing, yes Dave Harding at North bridge is going out of business so a 20% discount applied and so for effectively £115 I bought this nice loco. The shop closes finally on 1st August.

In the merantime looking underneath the loco is more a 2-2-6 but it is able to easily tackle the 9 inch radius curves which is a relief it certainly pulls well and needs no additional traction weight, the loco is very good and I was pleased with Bridget although I very nearly bought a bargain Heljan to make 3 of those sense prevailed and a second Bachmann was the result

So here is the new one.
 

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OK so it is time to look at the Heljan L&B Manning Wardle 2-6-2t, these are quite a big loco for such a small gauge and significantly longer than even the Baldwin. I intend to use mine to work the main line passenger trains up the mighty gradient between Barnstaple and Lynton the big hill stating at Porlock anjd climbing up to a tunnel at Hawkshead, a run up through the trees so on the way will be some logging activity and I plan to have that there.

Anyway back to the MWardle tanks, the wheelbase is suitably short but it does have 2 pony trucks one front and one rear. In use the loco is super sensitive and this applied to both of mine, I initially looked at lifting the body but this has no effect, the loco beeches itself if there is the slightest irregularity in the track, and I mean it is super sensitive, my layout is nicely flat but even the slightest variation and the loco stops and spins its driving wheels. Now this is a heavy loco for what it is so it seems odd that the thing will not go but is beached so I reasoned that the fault has to be with the pony trucks.

I started by removing the couplings pulling them from the sockets, this had no effect but then I looked closer.
This is the best photo I have of one of this pair upside down



I you look closely you see the socket end sits on the buffer beam (this way up) so when the right way this remains the same, in other words there is no clearance, the socket is a little thinner so if the coupling passes under the buffer beam clearing it in the process then there is a little more movement about 1 mm.
There seem to be some issues and I wonder if the pony truck has straightened it self out and is not as cranked as it should be hence is longer, I tried pushing it and any progress made it returned to the original position, I then filed a little from the socket end and eventually had the socket able to clear the buffer beam. One of the pair had a bigger problem with the rear truck and the other one was worse on the front, eventually I got both to behave more or less but a little more surgery is required, we are talking of small clearances here, tiny but it makes all the diffierence.

Whilst in hospital in the recovery unit I built a model railwayand had the loco Exe and quickly found out that this needed 12 inch radius curves as well, it says so in a note ain the box so you have been warned, Peco do not make a 12 inch radius curve and due to the sudden lack of model shops that are open I cannot get track even N gauge in Devon unless I go miles, The next iossue is that it /They seem to dislike the intermediate peco electrofrog points, fine with the long radius one and the Y point and of course they will treat the 9 inch radius insulfrog with complete disdain, these locos are the aristocrats of the model railway dressed up and well decorated they look splendid the gold domes shining in the lamplight and I have to say in the pre 1906 livery they do look the part but if you are going to use one or more of these locos you have to be ready for them.

I also have a problem getting them to sit on nthe btrack, the pony trucks are right up underneath so here I think I'll have to get a slide to get them to sit correctly as a pony truck not sitting correctly leads to derailments.

I note that they are getting a poor reputation which is a shame, does Heljan not test their locos? I'll make them an offer send new ones to me for testing, I have 2 O2's and a 47xx plus a Garrett (at Hattons currently) anyway surely if they bcan make such a splendid looking effort with all the right ingredients (I could go on about the O2/4, but then mess it up with some silly detail fauts, that said even coirrecting the problems above it still remains super sensitive whereas the Bachmann Baldwin is absolutely splendid as a performer

Front end a little more difficult to see


Cannot fault the looks, be a shame if most of them end up as static exibits, Exe sits at the Porlock Weir line at Porlock Station under construction
 

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Ah forgot to mention possibly due to the surgery the couplings seem to actually sit high so they do not immediately couple up to the very nice Peco stock that I have, all these couple nicely with the Roco and the Bachmann locos and the same applies to the Minitrains decauville, but not the Heljans, OH No! they ahve to have the wagon/coach lifted slightly to get the loop to sit around the coupling, in fact I removed the loops from the Heljans to assist as I noted there are none on the Roco deisel or the Bachmanns so that is another issue, have to find a solution to this issue next.

The Heljan also comes with a cow catcher front and rear but these are immediately in the way so I removed them first thing anyway useless to use with the Bemo style couplings.

Finally these are not cheap, I have not paid full list for either of them but they are still not cheap, I think £160 and £150 although I did offer £110 for a used one at Rails they would have accepted £117 but sadly for them I chose the second Baldwin at £115 and so expect no troubles with that one compared to a Heljan, perhaps once I have them fully sorted I'll buy another but not right now, anyway the funds are drying up a very usual experience for a Colonel Holman Stevens railway line in the 1920's

another shot of Exe hard to fault the finish
https://i.imgur.com/UTqW675.jpg
 

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Well there a little update, I have pretty much completed the main part of the layout and now have wired the isolated sections with section switches and also the droppers needed because most of the points are electrofrog, so I still need to do some cleaning up of the wiring which has never been my strength, I am a mechanical engineer not a sparky anyway it all works as intended thus far.

I have added a new goods loop and found a suitable base for the platforms, meanwhile I have been trying to improve reliability and thus back to the Heljans, Taw is not too bad now but Exe is still a lot of trouble derailing without provocation especiaslly the front pony truck, it also runs low and any track pin can cause trouble catching the coupling, coupling remains an issue too so I am geting annoyed now anyway pictures next time.
 

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So having had a good go at building the layout I have decided on a break and have built some structures to populate the layout. So a few each from Metcalfe and from Superquick - really old favourites all straightforward enough. I have also recovered some from my fathers old layout and some from my old tram layout as well not great but covers some background.

Anyway I tried a Wills/Peco SS29 Ground level signal box as Peco recommend on their Peco layouts booklet for Blackmoor Gate layout, simple enough and looks fine, so happy with that I decided upon a CK15 stone goods shed from the craftsman series, this is a lot more effort because what you get are some standard craftsman kits and they give you some patterns so you make the kit up having to cut the sheets and such, there is a lot of cutting and the patterns show a large width for the building, but the picture and drawings show a narrow side so they have this wrong, I had to adjust for the proper width and then adjust the height of the goods shed floor because the level is much lower.

In that regard I looked at a lot of photos the platforms are just above the rail level on the L&B as was, the rail height is 4.5 mm so I have gone for a 6 mm platform height and adjusted the goods shed to something similar perhaps 7 mm so that was OK.

Anyway I am not cut out to make this higher level of modelling and although just about passable I am not entirely happy with the result, sorry about lack of photos but they are not very good need to retake them.
 

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OK well a shjot of a bit poor quality however shows the Wills goods shed behind is the new goods loop and this goes round to meet the main line to the right


So a pic of the main row of recycled buildings in the background, in the foreground is the main goods yard, then the 4 running loops and to the right the goods shed, still has more to finish it up. the second photo finishes the display to the right

 

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Just to report a bit more progress, the loops are almost complete so here is an issue.

The 12 inch radius 180 degree loops needed for the fussy Heljan Manning Wardle tanks are longer than the metre of track available from Peco, as a result getting the 12 inch radius is difficult, I chose a 620mm board to do this, I would get the 12 inch loop in 610 mm and have 5mm each side spare, OK so tight but doable, however this N gauge track is a lot fussier than OO and it is a real 'rugger' getting the thing to be completed, the Lynton end having a series of loops was the idea.

In the meantime I have added a few buildings and some back drops - well just a couple but I'll add some more as I go along and the wiring has come on a bit with the section switches, the goods shed is just about complete if not totally brilliant (I added corner stones to hide the gaps in my construction efforts)

I badly need a re-railer guide for the Manning Wardles - what a shame such a lovely effort is totally ruined by a rubbish front pony truck.

In the meantime Peco gave me a new axle for the missing one on wagon number 3 (thanks boys) and I closed my eyes and bought another Peco L&B coach at some immense number of spondoolies this is one without windows in nthe middle section I added 20 grams of tyre weights in the saloon which helped it stay on the track.

So I am still putting the finishing touches, I have a saw mill/timber yard to complete / build and am seriously thinking about a gas works as a place for the coal trains to go, in the meantime I have been thinking about a locshed/workshop and have come up with something that might work, needs to hold both the Manning Wardle locos to have the front pony truck fixed!
 

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A little bit more work done so I built the PECO timber merchants yard and added timber so that looks OK but really needs a spray paint, I have worked out the loco shed and works so my remaining stockist has none of the donor kits at the moment.
I bought a rerailer for £2.45 and this is a big help with the Heljans already so that's a good move.
I am also going to experiment with an N gauge radius 3 curve which is a bit under 12 inch radius to see if this will be OK for the Heljans so 12 inches is 305 mm and this one is 292? but at least it is consistant, wonder if I can get Peco to produce this as an OO9 curve as the R1 N curve is exactly the same rail as the R1 OO9 curve at 9 inches - who knows they may respond positively.

The layout is almost finished was finishing the wiring until distracted this afternoon so it is going quite well. Photos to follow
 

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OK so another update for those interested.

1. The 298mm radius looks fine so that is a good tip
2. I am getting quite a lot of derailments, now with all the electrofrog points the plastic insul joiners seem to be a bit of problem if they are under pressure.
3. I have 28 points on the sytem, the easiest to deal with are the Y electrofrogs oddly the long main line electrofrog is a problem.
4. In this case it is in most cases necessary to just touch the point lever to get the loco to pick up electric if the insul frogs are next to the point, bit of a nuisance especially at te back of the layout.
5. These light weight wagons are a bit of a menace, shame wrenn never made nice heavy cast OO9 chassis !
6. PECO re-railer is well worth while

OK so that's all for now.
 

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More fun withe mini layout and more of the same,
I have tried to use a pair of Peco flats together as log carriers and have 3 pairs but they refuse to cooperate and represent the worst of the wagons at the moment, may turn them into flats and add 10 gram weights so they stay on the track.
Best wagon is the Peco L&B bogie open 8 ton jobby and this is very good, I'll get a few more of these.

So I am trying to make it reliable now but the layout design is nearly complete for now, have added some back scenes which helps and it looks OK or will.

I want a Bachmann L&B Woody Bay station but out of luck here so I'll have a go at making one see how that goes, the 3 of these were built by Jones of Lynton.

Final note when using insul joiners they can be slightly out of line on a curve and that leads to trouble simply because they are small and thus weak so want to take a different set position and that leads to derailments etc, especially those pesky Manning Wardle front pony trucks.
 
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