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Beautiful model.

I have a PCM Big Boy, and was similarly impressed, although that does have the locsound decoder in it.

The sound from that was also much, much to high on default, infact, I think having a lower sound output is one of the things that helps the steam sound systems a bit.

I'm toying with the idea of a couple of the blueline series F units at the minute , but not sure if they are as good a standard of model as the PCM stuff.
 

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QUOTE (Richard Johnson @ 27 Nov 2008, 14:30) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi Charles,

Its a nice loco - I have sold several and programmed a few more too... I'm a closet PRR fan too.

I always use a DP2x and the programming track for all blueline - with a PowerCab it works a treat every time. I end up programming very, very many of them because every other WA retailer hasn't a single cue how to go about it - the cheeky sods send all their customers to me to fix their problems!

Thank you both for the Blueline information, I use a lenz system myself, and after reading a little about the seperate sound/motor decoder setup, my intial idea to get around the issues was simply to install my motor chip in another loco, programmme it to the required address, then programme the sound decoder to the same address, then finaly install the motor decoder into the blueline loco. It would nearly take longer to type than do, and solves the inability for lenz to programme addresses on the main.

QUOTE (Richard Johnson @ 27 Nov 2008, 14:30) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'd not think too hard about the quantum revolution - I HAVE THE FULL PROGRAMMING kit and caboodle for them and have done a dozen or so.... I'd stay with the Bluelines as is + the DP2's = my current experience is very lukewarm, I much prefer tsunami if a US made choice is wanted, ESU otherwise

Thats interesting. My sound experience isnt vast, I freely admit, but I have a few factory fit ones, a tsunami, and recently purchased a couple of revolutions from tony's trains.

The QSI revolution with the high bass speaker install in a E6 is the best sound I have, perhaps its the bass enhanced speaker more than the sound project, I dont know, but I've been very impressed.
 

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QUOTE (Richard Johnson @ 28 Nov 2008, 15:10) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>***QSI is loud to be sure, and a couple of specific sound files are really nice, including their Big Boy, the Alco RSD15 and the GM E series locos... but the sound is also messy in its mastering sometimes, frequently clipping and distinctly muddy very often, as distortion is also high / audio fidelity quite low compared to tsunami and ESU.

That aside, my comments relate more to the ease of management, programming and setup of the decoder - and refinement in running quaility.

I simply don't like the QSI approach to setup and programming at all... (sound programming, not simple CV changes). The manuals are appalling and in simple programming I find the spoken readback a real problem for users, as it stops correct timing of decoder acknowledgement vs DCC standards and so changes do not "take" quite often.Bbecause of this its very hard for some owners to make changes until I show them how to turn its annoying accented voice off!

Each decoder brand has high points - for example light control is better for US models with QSI and Tsunami and ESU falls down there a little while the way ESU actually handles the levels/dimming and on/off is far nicer than with the US decoders... Programmability of Tsunami is way better than QSI if you can climb into the processor a little (it can be done even though its not obvious) and ESU probably has the best potential in its sounnd file structure and evolution + loco control, but all are OK in general.

No one brand has it all.

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Richard

Thats very interesting, thanks for the3 response.

As said, sound is quite new to me, so I'm still learning , I just found the QSI captures the lower range rumble of diesels better than anything else Ive heard so far, at least, the 2 I have in an E6 A/B consist does.

The tsunami I have in an F3 is perhaps a little weaker in that regard, but the transistion from one speed notch to another is more detailed, but the overall 'engine sound' effect I fond better with the QSI, as said, perhaps the extra bass speaker is more responsible than the decoder, I dont know.

I do only have one loksound, in the PCM Big Boy, a factory fitted setup, and it is very impressive, although at factory set sound levels its far, far to obvious the speaker is in the tender, running at about 1/3 volume , its very convincing.

I havent tried loksound aftermarket yet, I do have a few more locos to retrofit as time passes, so one may find its way into an alco PA at some point perhaps, the other one for the future would be Zimo, although they seem lacking in available sound projects so far, I have found their products always to be very high quality, I expect the sound decoders to be the same.

As , at the moment, I simply buy the pre programmed decoders and only make minor speedcurve adjustments myself, the intricacies of setup are not affecting me, so I judge solely on the impression the loco gives in operation.
 
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