Putting the details on an Bachmann A1

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TomTank

Discussion Starter · Feb 18, 2009

I was wondering if someone could post some pics of where exactly you put the detailing which comes with the Bachmann A1's

i.e the lamp irons, on on the front and back as im sligthly unsure, and i dont want to mess it up as they have to be glued

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Tom

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Noggins Friend

· #2 · Feb 20, 2009 (Edited by Moderator)

thought this might help

http://mcgavin.no-ip.info/robbie/big/LNER_A1_ECML_1958.jpg

and this

http://mcgavin.no-ip.info/robbie/big/A1_BR_1949.jpg

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Noggins Friend

· #3 · Feb 21, 2009

I also noticed that in recent pictures of the all new A1 Tornado parafin lamps are fitted on top of the electric lights that these engines carried.

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dwb

· #4 · Feb 21, 2009

QUOTE in recent pictures of the all new A1 Tornado parafin lamps are fitted on top of the electric lights that these engines carried.

From the large number of A1 "in service" photos I have seen, this was the common practice. There were variations in where loco headboards were carried - either the centre footplate bracket or the top smoke box door bracket according to the whim of the shed staff I suspect.

David

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patrick draper

· #5 · Mar 19, 2009

I know where they go but they are a devil to get on. What sort of adhesive is recommended? I can post the locomotive head codes if anyone wants them.

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61215 billy carver

· #6 · Mar 19, 2009

it wasn,t until well into diesel days that electric marker lights where recognised even though numerous steam classes had them . so even if your into green diesels its still worth putting parrafin lamps on locos .not sure when ruling changed .i think it was something to do with signalmen able to see white painted lamp better in daylight billy

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60134

· #7 · Mar 19, 2009

Certainly towards the end of the steam era the East Coast pacifics and Bulleids that were fitted with Stones lighting suffered from poor maintenance and oil lamps were often used as well as / instead of the electric ones. The Southern, of course, used route discs as well. Don't forget that the position of the smokebox numberplate also moved on the A1s, the early location was higher than the final position!

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Jerry

· #8 · Mar 19, 2009

The electric headlamps fitted to steam locos in the past weren't the high intensity type carried today so were not that visible in daylight unlike the white painted oil lamps would be. Early diesels had discs so they didn't rely on the lamps in daylight either.

I've always found it curious that in countries like Germany practically every steam loco from narrow gauge engines through shunters to large express engines carried working electric lighting yet British railways seemed to have so much difficulty with it.

Jerry

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60134

· #9 · Mar 20, 2009

One difference is that on the continent they don't have a fully fenced PW so need headlights more than we do!

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34C

· #10 · Mar 20, 2009

QUOTE (Jerry @ 19 Mar 2009, 21:15) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>.. I've always found it curious that in countries like Germany practically every steam loco from narrow gauge engines through shunters to large express engines carried working electric lighting yet British railways seemed to have so much difficulty with it.
This is the old story, that if a feature is standardised then all the facilities to support it have to be provided. A few hundred locos with electric lighting, among 20,000 steam locos with no such fitting, few staff trained to maintain it, a limited number of sites with the spares, in an environment where keeping up basic maintenance was a challenge; guess what's going to be an early casualty? With the long established oil lamp system in place, a non-working electrical light system did not make the loco a failure.

It would have needed universal fitting to all locomotives (at least within a delimited region) and withdrawal of the oil lamps at a pre-announced date, with the establishment of an appropriate maintenance structure, to make it happen.

When a form of traction requiring electrical supply for its' function was introduced, then the essential maintenance structures had to be provided, and electric lighting quickly became the norm, and as easily maintained as on any other railway system.

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60134

· #11 · Mar 20, 2009

You also need to remember that European locos had good acetylene lamps before they had electric ones, a technology we never really embraced on the UK network.

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7113

· #12 · Mar 20, 2009

QUOTE (60134 @ 20 Mar 2009, 15:46) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>You also need to remember that European locos had good acetylene lamps before they had electric ones, a technology we never really embraced on the UK network.

Very very true, hence the relatively huge lamps on European locos.

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