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Having taken the plunge in stripping the cab of the A3 prior to making the roof removable did I continue with the F8?

Nah! I am sure that it will come as no surprise that it didn't take much encouragement from Chris for me to start on one of the coach kits that she bought me for my birthday.

This is some of what's in the box - for this particular coach I am still waiting for the underframe and bogie etches.







Having had a read of the quite comprehensive instructions available for download from the kemilway site it reckons about a hundred and fifty hours to build a coach depending on experience. Having had some of these kits in 4mm some years ago I had an idea what to expect and this is where I got to after 4 hours yesterday.



The floor pan folded up and the inner ends curved with the formers soldered in.



Both sides have their separate bottom panels soldered in.

Even though I had filed of the etching cusps I struggled with the first side to get the panels in flat etc. with a couple needing to be dropped out and repositioned. On the second side I made doubly sure that I had removed the cusps and I put a slight chamfer on the edges of each panel. This meant that they snapped into place with ease and I soldered up the second side in half the time it took for the first - a lesson learned for the next one.
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In response to a query on the GOG forum I promised that I would take a photo of some Kirk sides that I needed to cut and shut and repair the beading on - The beading is Plastruct 0.8mm half round.

It looks like Ian has now run out of the colour pigment that he used to use to colour the LNER coach pieces because they came in white so I had to give them a quick spray to get them to show anything.





I have marked which beading I replaced with a red square. For some reason the top one picked up some much in the solvent (Limonene) which has made it look a bit ragged in the photo but I am sure that it will disappear once I apply the teak varnish to it.

Although it doesn't look it in the photo the base colour is orange.
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nice effort Rob. The roof almost looks like paper-mach'e (probably a typo) is that the look you intended ?
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Thanks MMD,

That's not quite the effect I was looking for. The idea is to represent the roof canvas, which I think it does at normal viewing distances. Sadly photos are not always very flattering.

Onwards and upwards, the all 3rd has been progressing too, we now have passengers and a start on the paint work - the plan is to print our some partition tops with carriage prints and possible the mirrors in place - I may end up with plan B for the mirrors which would be to use the Cameo to cut them from foil.



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Picking up after Guildex and despite going out to play at Locomotion on both Saturday PM and sunday AM I managed to get a fair bit further on the All 3rd



Brake tell tale and associated bits and pieces



Roof vents marked out and added, I also added the V Hangers underneath but found that I had left the dynamo and the vac cylinder castings behind so I couldn't go any further with them.



I even made a jig and a start on the grab handles before running out of rod - more in Wakefield but it's not much good there

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A weekend in, spent modelling has seen the All 3rd well on it's way to completion. I even managed to do a bit more on my own non corridor parcels van. Progress on the latter included ripping off the dynamo to make up more prototypical hanging frame similar to Don's BG and All 3rd











All that's left to do (unless I find something else is fit the turnbuckles and trussing and the vacuum and steam heat pipes before it hit's the paint shop in anger
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Having got Don's All 3rd well on it's way and despite spending quite a bit of Saturday stripping off the roof canvas and filling in the holes for the wrongly placed roof vents with stubbs of styrene rod. I also managed to do a bit more at my stalled Kirk parcels van. my last job the previous weekend was to break off the dynamo which in my earlier builds I had stuck onto a fabricated I beam. Now that I have done a more realistic job for Don's coaches it seemed only fair to do the same for me so I knocked up the mounting brackets and stuck them on.



This is Don's roof awaiting the roof vents mounting in the right place, just perched on my parcels van for the moment. I managed to rescue the destination board brackets and reinstate them on the new re-canvassed roof.







It's also now sporting hinges and door handles etc.
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Somewhat embarrassingly, I have had a JLRT Gresley Diagram 113 full brake sat on the edge of my workbench for the last couple of years. it had stalled at the final fitting of the roof stage.

On Sunday morning Chris asked me if I was ever going to finish it (it was a Christmas gift from her:scratchchin:) So late morning I got stuck into fitting the roof and by the end of the day I had not only fitted the roof I had added most of the underframe fittings too - I had prepared the buffer beams a couple of years ago.

So here it is sat on a pair of borrowed bogie - I put the original Gresley bogies supplied under my first Kirk Parcels van build - I have a pair of Newbould Models 8.0' Fox to go under this but they need making up.







I hope to make more rapid progress on this going forward....
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One of the jobs that I did over the last week was to knock up some partition details for the All 3rd.

The carriage prints are Chris's paintings shrunk to fit and the mirrors are also one of Chris's ideas.

I had tried to print them using a grey but they didn't come out that well. The next thought was to use baking foil cut on the Silhouette but my concern was that they would damage easily while removing them from the cutting mat. Chris suggested that I try the foil lined plastic sachets that family sized pack of nuts come in.

She duly cut one up and gave it a wash (this is from a bag of Cashew Nuts, other nuts are available of course).

I quick visit to Inkscape drew me some circles and ovals (I need ovals for my D114 when I get to it).

It almost took more time sticking the two small sheets of plastic to the cutting mat than it did to cut them out - a single cut with the blade set at 1 was enough.



Not the best photo in the word but you get the idea



A better idea when they were removed from the mat



They look the part when attached to the partition - the printed efforts gave a location point if nothing else



A couple more for the carriage ends.
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At the beginning of each session on the B16 recently I have sprayed the All 3rd in either Carmine, matt varnish or lastly masked up and sprayed the black.







The paints were both from the Vallejo Model colour range - Carmine and Black. The varnish used was Ronseal water based let down with Vallejo thinners.

I also made a start on adding the teak varnish to my Kirk Parcels van.







Again the finish is Vallejo Model Colour Orange covered by (so far) 7 coats of Ronseal waterbased Teak varnish applied by brush so not let down.
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QUOTE (Rob Pulham @ 27 Sep 2017, 14:14) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>One of the jobs that I did over the last week was to knock up some partition details for the All 3rd.

The carriage prints are Chris's paintings shrunk to fit and the mirrors are also one of Chris's ideas.

I had tried to print them using a grey but they didn't come out that well. The next thought was to use baking foil cut on the Silhouette but my concern was that they would damage easily while removing them from the cutting mat. Chris suggested that I try the foil lined plastic sachets that family sized pack of nuts come in.

She duly cut one up and gave it a wash (this is from a bag of Cashew Nuts, other nuts are available of course).

I quick visit to Inkscape drew me some circles and ovals (I need ovals for my D114 when I get to it).

It almost took more time sticking the two small sheets of plastic to the cutting mat than it did to cut them out - a single cut with the blade set at 1 was enough.
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I must admit that is a really neat idea that hadn't occurred to me before! Is definitely a bit more durable and easier to work with than foil!


The carriages are really looking the part.....and are reminding me of my complete lack of progress on anything for ages.....


Regards,

Cameron(Kiwionrails)
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Although I have been concentrating on the B16 I have done a little on the All 3rd by picking out the handles in brass.

I popped all the bits together to see how it looked - it's still just plonked on the bogies with the roof just resting in place.







I hope that I might get the transfers on this weekend.
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Although I have only one photo, the All 3rd is nearing completion. The transfers are on, it's glazed and the roo vents have been re-fitted - right number in the right place....

I left it on Sunday night with the glue in the glazing drying so unless I discover anything that I have missed I should have it all put together next weekend.

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A concerted effort this weekend has seen the All 3rd nearing completion. Still to do are fitting the roof and having seen the photos sticking part of one of the rain strips down.

Having chosen to ultimately glue the roof on last I had, had some debate about how windows that became dislodged through handling would be replaced. After a bit of head scratching I cam up with a cunning plan.

Each window is an individual pane which is glued into the rebate inside the coach but I have also added a strip of secondary glazing which rests on the strip that strengthens the sides and runs the full length of the coach. It's is held in place by the edges of the compartments which I filed down to allow the glazing strip to fit. This will prevent the individual panes from being dislodged.









To fit the no smoking transfers I made up a little jig from a piece of 20thou styrene which was the width of the window from the outside. I measured half way up the window and marked the styrene. I then added 1mm and marked it again. After measuring the with of the transfer I subtracted this from the total width and divided the remainder by two. I measured the result from each edge and marked a vertical line from the high line to the middle line at each side and then cut the styrene out leaving me with a rectangle of styrene with a notch cut out that centres the transfer in the middle of the window both vertically and horizontally









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I am back on the trail of Kirk coach builds, this time it's an all 3rd/brake 3rd twin set (Diags 105/125).

It's for the gent that I built the last two for and this time he has gone for using the supplied Kirk bogies so I thought that I might upgrade them a little.

First I added some of my Silhouette cut leaf springs and then looked to make some springs for the bolsters.

I am aware that others have used 2ba screws to do represent the bolsters springs but to my mind the coils are a little too sharp in profile so I wound some 3mm styrene rod with 0.8/mm styrene rod to make the springs.

I also added the spring carriers and in hindsight I should have added the springs before sticking the carriers to the bogies because it's going to be interesting getting the springs in position now.





I have also assembled the sides but didn't take photos of them.
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When fellow modellers came along to see me when I was demoing at Pontefract show, the parts that I was cutting were some brakes for my Kirk coach bogies

Once glued together (5 layers) they came out looking like this.
Apologies for the poor photo, white on white isn't the best combination



The demo must have been well received because I have also been asked to demo at Telford as well as Doncaster this year.

Not much modelling got done last week due to having a busy week compounded by minor surgery, but over the weekend the Mojo returned and I made progress on the twinset.



The first bogie now has it's bolster springs an I have the parts prepared to fit to the other two. I did end up having to remove the bolster frame to fit the springs so a lesson learned.

I also managed to get three of the ends attached to their respective sides. The fourth one needs cutting down for the narrower brake end.
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