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QUOTE (Long funnel & tiresome @ 6 Jan 2013, 00:20) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>A very absorbing set of comparison pics!
I've been trying to work out where one might have seen all those LMS jinties in front of the GWR pagoda - in the hills above Wrexham?
I used to enjoy contrasting GWR and LNER steam (in Wales!) at Wrexham General and Wrexham Central stations.

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Hi LF&T.

That is correct, Ffrwd is in the hills above Wrexham, near Cefn-Y-Bedd.

The LMS had running powers from the old LNWR line to Wrexham (Hightown Loco Depot), which ran from the Chester to Crewe line, through Wrexham Central and via a link line, up the Moss valley, through Ffrwd, and on to Coed Talon.

(Well, in my universe anyway!)

In the Real World, the Wrexham Mold and Connah's Quay line was for a time vested in the LMR Region of British railways, before the LM Region got its paws on the whole of North Wales!
 

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Hi Sarah,
I thought Stoke bridge was getting enough punishment ........

http://www.prochan.com/embed?f=e53_1351184775"

I do like the detail on your layout. The signal box looks very like one I have from Bachmann, also named Highley. I couldn't help noticing the inside features you included. May I ask where you obtained the Lever Frame from? I like the fireplace too, although I might try a simple pot stove, of the sort the Gov't used everywhere, with a flickering LED where the lower door is or through an open top .... they must have bought a job lot of over a million .....


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QUOTE (Julian2011 @ 13 Jan 2013, 17:36) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi Sarah,
I thought Stoke bridge was getting enough punishment ........

http://www.prochan.com/embed?f=e53_1351184775"

I do like the detail on your layout. The signal box looks very like one I have from Bachmann, also named Highley. I couldn't help noticing the inside features you included. May I ask where you obtained the Lever Frame from? I like the fireplace too, although I might try a simple pot stove, of the sort the Gov't used everywhere, with a flickering LED where the lower door is or through an open top .... they must have bought a job lot of over a million .....


Julian

Hi Julian.

Wow, that is some video...

Despite the warning lights and signs, the drivers just keep on going!

The Ratio Kit Signal Box is based on Highley, on the Severn Valley Railway. The Bachmann Scenecraft "Ready To Plant" building came much later. (Why they made a model of the very same Signal Box will remain a mystery, condidering th enumber of Signal Boxes out there!
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The Signal 'box is the Ratio "Highley" kit with a few mods.

The Real Highley Box has the rodding tunnel under the ground as it exits the locking room (Under a road.). So there is no "exit" for the rodding above ground.

http://www.highleystation.co.uk/

The wall below the windows is not really tall enough to cut a hole in for the rodding.

I used Wills Brick sheets to make a plinth around the base of the locking room. It is simply glued on top of the existing walls. This makes the box a little taller (a bit less than 1cm in my case.)

The locking room door frame was modified to give it a window over the door to take up the excess height. The kit door was used.

I didn't lengthen the stairs (probably the best option). I was thinking of having the box against the platform ramp, so that the stairs would land part way up the ramp. In the end I have made some "concrete" (Plastic Card Painted) steps to make up the excess height. (There is bound to be a "prototype" example out there!)

The levers/quadrants/wire tensioners/signalman/chair/train register desk/coal box/clock/telephone/block bells and instruments are from the Wills Finecast interior kit. (which includes more levers and quadrants, block bells and instruments, wire tensioners and a shelf for the block bells etc. It does come with a small stove, which I have used in Mr. Sylvester's Coal Order Office.)

The track diagram, and the block shelf and supports are from plasticard.







 

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The Bachmann "Jinty" 3f 0-6-0 Tank Loco. Getting into the cab....

QUOTE (Grifter_Guru @ 29 Dec 2012, 13:18) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Basically, you have to the chassis out to begin (I know, Obvious right?).

Next, Locate the TWO screws under the bunker, the TWO screws in the forward end of the splashers for the rear drivers, the TWO screws between the first and second driver splashers and the SINGLE screw under the smokebox So, that's SEVEN screws, not including those required to get the chassis out in the first place.

Once you have the upper body separated from the running plate, you should have complete access to the entire cab and backhead. I will just say, you need to take care as the body can be awkward to deal with at times.

First the two NEM pockets have to be removed, as they cover the two screws that hold the chassis into the body...

The Chassis removed. The Seven Screws mentioned above are also there.



The component parts. I didn't manage to get the cab free from the bunker...



The Side Tanks have large amounts of metal inside them. Bacmann have made it so the sandbox fillers can be changed for the models without the "keyhole" fillers.



The back of the cab and bunker.



And with some paint...and the Fireman added.



The boiler backhead detail...A right hand drive loco this...



And painted...



The Driver fitted. The lever reverser is attached to the footplate.

 

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Thank you for the information Sarah

QUOTE The levers/quadrants/wire tensioners/signalman/.........

That has saved much google-eyeing and the quality of the castings is now a known quantity too.

I enjoyed the painting of the cab and fitting of the crew too, especially the drivre's arm on the lever. I feel quite inspired and may be encouraged to have a go ...... one day.


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Hi Sarah,

Excellent work & step by step pics as always. Really like the additional detail & the "difference" a bit of life / colour makes !

I am sure I have an old Wrenn Jinty in the Loft somewhere, I will have to find it & see perhaps how that compares to your earlier line up.

On a totally different subject but one I know is close to you heart, is there a good reference source for Canal / Narrow / Working boats paint colours please ?

Thanks in advance & keep up the great work, Cheers,

Norm

PS. Gantry SB commenced !
 

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Hi Sarah,

Went hunting in the loft earlier & found the previously mentioned Wrenn Jinty, I have added a couple of pics in my album, not the best shots, but one thing I spotted / remembered being the body was fixed by a screw through / down the funnel - not sure if this was as original or an adaption during its "long" life. Also it weighs a ton !!!!

Cheers,

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Hi Norm.

There are a couple of books on narrow boat "Liveries".

Now, depending on the sort of time period you require, the Langley Model's boats are quite easy.

The Grand Union Canal Carrying Company Liveries.

C1935 - The coronation (C1936?)

Two shades of blue and white. Oxford Blue panel, White Line, Cambridge Blue outline. White lettering (Shaded Black?).

The Coronation Colours.

Red, White, and Blue, Red panel, White Line, Blue outline. White lettering Shaded Black.

C1940 - C1950

To follow....
 

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C1940 - C1950

A simplified Red and blue scheme, with a white line. Simple lettering.

C1950

BRITISH WATERWAYS Yellow and Blue. Yellow panels.

Later 1950s.

BRITISH WATERWAYS Blue and Yellow. Blue panels.

Later, BW all dark blue.

And some links...

BW 1950s Blue and Yellow, and GUCCC Red, White and Blue 1937-C1940.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Union_C...arrying_Company

GUCCC all three good side views...

http://canalsidecamera.weebly.com/guccc.html

Another "wartime" GUCCC Boat, Sculptor (Star Class) amongst other good pics...

http://www.luphen.org.uk/public/2004/2004stokebruerne.htm
 

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Hi Sarah,

Thanks again for all of the info. on the various colour schemes through the ages. I think for the first boat I am going to go with the Oxford & Cambridge Blues scheme, as that was the colours of my old & first hockey club many years ago, so a bit of sentimental appeal if nothing else more scientific LOL !!!!!

On a different matter of the Wrenn Jinty, as can be seen on the picture, its not possible to add a crew to the cab on that version, as a large chunk of the motor all but fills the cab space !

Good luck on your Jinty project front though, Cheers,

Norm
 

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hi Sarah

Love the interior detail on both the signal box and the footplate. Its often the little things that don't show much but just enough to make a big difference.

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QUOTE (Norman Byrne @ 17 Jan 2013, 12:13) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi Sarah,

Thanks again for all of the info. on the various colour schemes through the ages. I think for the first boat I am going to go with the Oxford & Cambridge Blues scheme, as that was the colours of my old & first hockey club many years ago, so a bit of sentimental appeal if nothing else more scientific LOL !!!!!

On a different matter of the Wrenn Jinty, as can be seen on the picture, its not possible to add a crew to the cab on that version, as a large chunk of the motor all but fills the cab space !

Good luck on your Jinty project front though, Cheers,

Norm

Hi Norm.

No problem.

You should know that the Wrenn 0-6-0 Tank Loco is not actually a "Jinty" (Which is a Midland Railway/LMS Loco.) but is a continuation of th eold Hornby Dublo (Only ever made for2-Rail.) R1. This is a South Eastern & Chatham Railway / Southern Railway /Region Loco.

It is possible that HD made the R1 as the "Starter Set" Loco, and copied the idea of a 0-6-0 Tank Loco from Tri-ang's R.52 "Jinty" though...
 

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Hi Sarah,

Nope thats something else I have learnt - LOL !

Not my specialist subject one might say; but always willing to learn eh.

Was trying to think when / where I acquired it; at least over 25 years ago, but the detail is still part of a "Senior" moment LOL !

Cheers,

Norm

PS. Just looked at the pics again - "need" to try harder; also visit Specsavers !!! Lost in Sussex LOL !
 

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QUOTE (StuB @ 17 Jan 2013, 12:34) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>hi Sarah

Love the interior detail on both the signal box and the footplate. Its often the little things that don't show much but just enough to make a big difference.

Stu

Hi Stu.

Thanks for the comments.

I would like all the places that should have "personnel" to be "manned". Hence the Ticket Collector, and , out of sight, the booking office clerk and a few passengers in the station building.

The Pway gang, and the Goods Yard men are still to be sorted. Then there will have to be a few passengers in the coaches, etc.
 

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If you want "real world" information on canals and narrow boats /working boats /broad boats, et-al, I know just the chap you would love to talk to.......

Always seem to get onto the subject of the Can when we talk........
 

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The Bachmann 08. Putting the crew in.

The "trick" with getting the body off is a small metal wire "lighting Conduit" at the top right of the "Port" (Left) Side Steps. This needs removing from its hole. Mine seems to have been glued, and took some levering. The wire needed re-shaping afterwards. (I also made the locating hole slightly larger, and I didn't glue it back in!)



There is one screw that needs to come out, this is under the cab. The back coupling mount needs to come off to reveal the screw.







Then there is a clip in a hole. This needs careful levering while gently applying some force to remove the body from the cab end.



The front of the body is clipped in, and will come away if lifted from the cab end and moved "backwards" .



The cab is clipped onto the rest of the body by two clips at the bottom front corners.











 

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Hi Norm.

I am as honest as the day is long...

The longer the daylight, the less I do wrong!


The Bachmann 08, continued...


The previous pictures show the crew and the cab painting already done. I took the body off again for the photos...

Cab interior, as painted by me. The crew have to have part of their legs removed, as the floor is too high...

The "Driver" is from the Dapol Figures set, the "Fireman", later known as the "Second man" is from Tri-ang Railways.







And back together again..With the cab steps fitted. These actually just plugged in, no glue required!




 
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