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QUOTE (Adrian Ross @ 2 Nov 2016, 19:42) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hello.

I have a few CIWL, collected from whatever was available.

I'd get the LS Models dining car soon, they won't last. There's a blue baggage car due soon(ish).

bye now

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Lovely model. LS Models are exceptionally high quality along with ACME; makes the other brands look inferior. I hadn't realised the quality of LS Models until recently when I got an ÖBB Wlab-30 set in N gauge (stunning detail even in N) to fit into my Nachtzug Dacia.

I totally agree with you Adrian advising in getting this coach quickly because once gone it's pretty much gone due to the limited run.

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Yes. As I understand 6 sets have been made/announced. Earliest ones 3000, 30001, 30002 and 30003 between 1987 and 1990 then another two 23060 and 23061 in 2005. The railings though look a bit chunky and plasticky on these models which Hobbytrain tends to exhibit.

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Just posting some photos of LS Model's latest release in N, which would be of interest to those in HO international. This form has been made in the past but with the older livery in blue; this being the Rolf Ruediger colour scheme which is now being replaced in the prototype with the Night Jet colour scheme. So glad I got these before they sell out. At least I'm getting closer to putting together the "Wiener Walzer" EN 466/467 rake, just waiting for the OeBB Liegewagen to be released.









As usual the quality is exceptional from LS Models.

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QUOTE (kedumba @ 21 Apr 2017, 00:02) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Certainly nice looking models there.Never thought about LS models before but after seeing the pics
you put up I might have to look into their website.

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Their website isn't the best in the world to navigate around on; it needs to be redone properly. I suggest looking at one of the major German online shops like Modellbahnshop-lippe etc, you get a better overview of their products. When they make a release most of the time there is generally no great big announcement only the retailer will blow their trumpet; in the case of these N Schlafwagen this was a totally unexpected release.

I highly recommend them but they are more expensive than other manufacturers. Their Siemens Viaggio Classic Coaches for the RZD are absolutely top quality in HO and N; N has some less detail than the HO versions with the interior printing but leagues ahead of the competition.

One thing I've spotted on these N "Dosto" coaches - I may not be correct and will need confirmation - are the bogies could be the wrong type. I've looked at photos on the net of these particular coaches (ex DB?) and the OeBB appear to have changed the bogies from the Aachen Talbot type bogies to a type SF400 or similar. In fact the HO version of these LS97001 have the "correct" bogies.

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Hi again,

I mentioned about getting the RZD coaches from LS Models representing the Moscow - Nice Ville (D408/409 route from 2015) express train a while back; two sets of 3 and a limited edition set of 2 commissioned by Pirata of the WLABmz (Siemen's Viaggio Classic) coaches. Here are pictures of the sets I got recently.



Set 78040




Set 78041




Set 98024




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What is really nice about these sets, apart from each coach having a unique number, is that all the coaches when you look closely have distinct differences for each cabin having half or fully drawn blinds. The destination boards (prototype being a digital horizontal scrolling display) on the first two sets of 3 are the same however the Pirata set has a partial scrolling of Milano. The Pirata set also has one additional difference in that the two coaches have a vent on the roof.

The detail goes further when looking at the undercarriage, bogies and ends.

These are in my opinion higher quality models than the OeBB schlafwagen previously posted which do not have blinds drawn etc (something I may tinker with) also I can confirm the bogies are definitely wrong on the OeBB sleepers after further research. The OeBB have 5 pairs of these coaches, four pairs used on two routes EN466/467 and EN246/247 with the final pair kept in reserve however they are also used on route EN490/491 (Hamburg/Vienna) recently. The coaches came from the DACH pool (no furrther info on this consortium unfortunately maybe another label for CNL/CityNightLine ...). In the case of the bogies I read in the Siemen's bogies brochure that the OeBB did change them to the Siemens SGP400 (SF400) bogies and these coaches are described in the brochure as "10 Hotels".

The rake for the RZD has still missing one PKPIC WRMnouz and 3 RZD WLSRmee (maxed out rake depending on the season in the prototype). Here's a YouTube link of this train departing Brennero station.

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QUOTE (reddo @ 23 Apr 2017, 05:09) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Nice coach sets - always good to find these unique sets and compile actual trains IMHO. I tend to look more and more at LS and ACME now (love the ACME box packaging) as they create the named trains that pass through Munich

As discussed on some other threads, a little light weathering on those bogies would bring all the details to life - it is about the only weathering I would do on mine (locos or stock)

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Yes those two are special. I have a number of OeBB coaches from Fleischmann, Roco and the odd special from others but they sadly have a significant number of errors; I will be using these for the foreseeable future as "temporary" fillers until LSM, ACME or others provide in N the correct form coaches. I will eventually be putting the fillers which get replaced on the secondary market which I'm sure will get snapped up by those not too concerned about the details or for collecting. Funnily enough the Fleischmann T2S coaches for the Dacia train 860703 command a ludicrously high price on ebay; the most recent I've seen sold were between 122.87 to 157.15 GBP and these are cobbled compromises ...

Definitely weathering is on order for the undercarriage on these, I'm intending to buy a compressor (looking at the Iwata line atm) for an airbrush which I have owned for more than twenty years and never used - the original Aztek 470 deluxe set (with 4 nozzles unlike today's one which has 6), and use this for the weathering on coaches and I will be weathering my locos too. Trial guinea pigs will be the odd filler coach and Minitrix Taurii (Fleischmann wins hand down for the form, Hobbytrain and JC just look slightly odd).

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Another addition to the collection from LS Models but with a Czech theme. This one being a CD WLABmz sleeper coach exhibiting the Big Dipper along with a symbolic image of Holasovice; CD have 12 coaches like this with various UNESCO sites. This particular livery has been used until the end of 2016 and is gradually or has been changed to a Blue/White livery. These coaches are typically found in operation on the "Chopin" D/EN 406/407 route.

Detail as usual is high again as well as underneath; this one has the SGP400 bogie which should have been used on the OeBB schlafwagen. I tried to substitute these bogies onto the OeBB ones but appears to be not compatible there is some differences in screw sizes and the pin the bogie fits onto.












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Hi Pantograf,

That's right about the Prague Zuerich train (CNL459 Canopus). Big changes now since CNL doesn't exist any more as well as the DB autozug/night service service both of which have been partially sold/taken over by the ÖBB. Already a lot of the WLABmz 173 stock of the DB are having new liveries of the Nightjet service . The Dosto used on CNL/DB are not going to be used by the ÖBB as I understand.

Good times for HO and N for different liveries.

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Hi,

Thought I'd post up here some photos of some recent purchases I'd received yesterday from Menzels Lokschuppen. The two sleeper coaches shown here were specially commissioned by Menzels Lokschuppen from ACME to produce the first ever correct form MU (Modern Universal built around 1973) in N used by the OeBB and CFR; apparently these were going to be made originally by Pirata Models but was cancelled. These two coaches are spot on and suitable to be used for the representation of the Night Train Dacia (EN/D/R 346/347) up to around 2003. The OeBB have/had three coaches of this particular MU, the last photos I've found of these show them parked up around 2009 in Vienna West Bahnhof along with two U-MUs (another topic for the future):

61 81 72-71 626-7
61 81 72-71 627-5
61 81 72-71 628-3 (the current model form from the set ACME 16511)

Interesting enough if in the future the other two coaches for the OeBB are made in model form the second coach (61 81 72-71 627-5) apart from having a different serial number has the "Pflatsch" mark at the opposite ends in the prototype.

The 61 81 72-71 627-5 was used a lot on the Orient Express EN262/263 (Paris - Vienna).

As for the CFR MU there is a lot of confusion around these particular MUs; apparently CFR have 3 of these which were originally built 1972-1973 for the SBB. The only two numbers documented as I understand are 50 53 71-31 015-0 (the model form shown here) and 50 53 71-31 014-3.

Again looking at photos of the prototype everything is correct; again another quirk I noticed is if the 014-3 coach is made in model form the "Voiture Lits" marking on the cabin side starts from the left hand most side of the first window whereas the 015-0 has the marking start on the right hand side of that window; if there is a variation on the corridor side I cannot say since I have not been able to find a photo showing that side.

Overall very happy to have these especially now that another high quality brand is stepping into the N market and getting a little bit closer to completing a Dacia Night train.











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Hi Reddo,

Would love to see your ACME purchases. So far the N packaging is a bit lame from ACME - LS Models is a bit more upmarket.

I just wanted to add on the background of this set that the OeBB MU has been in use up to 2010 on the Dacia train along with the U-MUs of the OeBB; I quoted 2003 as a rough guide for the pair since other CFR sleeper coaches (ex DB WLABmh 174/175 and other variants like T2S) are used from 2003 onward on the route.

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Hello again,

Along with the previous posts showing the commissioned MUs by Menzels they also arranged with LS Models a commission for the Czech WLABmz with the "Najbrt" livery already mentioned in another post by Pantograph. This is the latest Epoch VI livery replacing the Big Dipper/Unesco Livery. Both of these models represent the modernized "Holasovice" and "Lednice-Valtice" Unesco livery coaches.









I will post next time round some more photos when I receive the WLABmee coaches of the WSBA again specially commissioned by Menzels Lokschuppen. The preview photos of these I've seen are stunning and the detail is probably the highest I've seen yet for this particular class of sleeper coach.

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Hi Pantograf,

Thanks. These sleepers do add a new dimension; just need a good selection of liegewagen/couchettes to put together some realistic rakes. One area which is lacking is a good selection of Hungarian, Polish and Croatian rolling stock in N. The HO and TT market is in a better state. I really think the N market is in a chicken and egg situation;; hopefully this will change.

The HO sleeper set is worth it you get a couchette as well, would be very useful to put a variety of rakes together, I view these sets as a basic ingredient which can be used for a variety of recipes.

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Seems a bit odd that. What firmware version is installed? Can be read from CVs 7 & 65 (version and subversion respectively). The board would be using the Zimo MX645 sound decoder.
Current firmware version stands at V 37.0.

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Mystery solved good to hear. I know Roco/Fleischman started using Zimo decoders from around 2012/3; I suspect maybe the decoder was changed if I'm correct in assuming this is 2nd hand.

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Hi David,

Nice. Seems you are on the same wavelength as me but me being on a smaller gauge. Some FS Eanos and Ealos would not go amiss here. The tagging of freight wagons seems to be becoming a big problem these days; I've noticed the open car carriers are getting fitted with mesh guards (GEFCO Laeks) or the cars are covered with protective sheets and the more modern ones are now entirely closed boxes - I suppose in the future car carriers will just be closed box wagons with no cars in sight (pretty dull but from a modelling budget point of view cheaper in that no cars need to be bought).

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