just after ordering mine, I saw one on eBay for around two-thirds of the price: the catch being it was AC powered.Nice catch SRMan.
Yeah, that is a catch. Apparently changing models from AC to DC is not at all trivial, so by the time you've spent the time and money, you probably haven't saved much.just after ordering mine, I saw one on eBay for around two-thirds of the price: the catch being it was AC powered.
There are a couple of wagons in the Märklin range that I want (also with a beer theme!), that don't seem to be in the equivalent Trix range, but having priced the replacement wheelsets, I decided against buying the Märklin versions.Tell me about it. I have a bunch of Märklin beer carriages sitting here that still need new axles. I knew that when I bought them, but still, that expense will have to wait.
Perhaps a couple of images will be useful:The history of both locomotives is quite complicated and was a result of the DR's need for a fast locomotive to run tests on the newer coach designs being produced.
That is a superb video David, thanks so much for posting. I love the sheer impression of weight as the coaches clank over the rail joints. I ordered the full set of CIWL coaches HR2319-22 from a supplier in Italy when they were announced. The price went up a little but he came to the party and did free shipping for me to SW France which is where we hv now moved/retired to. Anyway, I have them all to unpack; I love the Rivarossi items and am missing my time in Munich with free shipping but MSLbare pretty good with a flat 4 Euros rate. Cheers for now, PaulIn January 2020, that's not a typo it really was way back then - BC (Before Covid) - Rivarossi's new model announcements included 3 sets of ex CIWL coaches in VSOE livery. These are re-introductions, long standing members may recall Doug's review of some of them back in the early days of MRF.
The interest for me is that the train's route from Venice to London takes it over the Brenner Pass which means it adds interest to my collection of trains from that line.
I forget where I found information on the train's formation but from that I determined that HR2319 (Bar car), HR2321 (a pair of sleeping cars) and HR2322 (A restaurant car and Pullman car) model five of the 15 or so coaches which make up the train.
Accordingly I reserved one of each pack with MSL, thinking that they would arrive sometime that year. As we all know, that's not quite how it worked out...
And so the week before last I received emails from MSL telling me the stock for my reservations was now available. I went ahead and placed the order and this morning the parcel arrived. MSL use DHL and DHL use Parcel Force for UK deliveries. The Parcel Force VAT collection system has got a lot slicker since the last time I used it about four or five months ago. The detailed online tracking system told me that the VAT due had been calculated on Tuesday and on Thursday morning the invoice dropped through the letter box which gave me time to pay online in time for delivery today. The handling charge from Parcel Force was a flat £12.
I unpacked the coaches before sunset and took these photos on my Continental Shelf layout before they will travel to the loft layout where there is enough space to run them.
The bar car and one of the sleeping cars.
The restaurant car
The Pullman car and second sleeper
I didn't realise it when I was buying them but they have interior lighting
The lighting is in the ceiling. The very nice looking table lamps are non-functional.
The couplings are the traditional hoop and hook in NEM pockets mounted on cams under the coach body which allow very tight radii to be negotiated. They do go round the 360mm radius curves on this layout.
Unlike many continental model coaches, these do not close couple out of the box but I am sure I can find some other couplings which will.
The VSOE livery is distinctive in having the white roofs and white flashes on the bogies.
The rest of the VSOE train consists of one other restaurant car which has a YTb body, a couple of service cars with YTB bodies. None of these is available in model form so far as I am aware. There are a further eight sleeping cars which are also LX bodies. The train is topped and tailed by a couple of S1 bodied sleeping cars. The S1 is available but at present it is in a pale cream as used in trains in the Middle East. I do not fancy the respray...
You can find more details on the VSOE here - Venice Simplon-Orient-Express Vintage Train | London to Venice. This set of coaches is as close as I am ever going to get to the experience, although to be honest, having read the brochure, it seems to be more of a travelling gourmet experience than anything else.
To see the train arriving at Brennero from the south, watch from 26:30 into this youtube video -. Note the double heading, and a couple of locos being towed dead for the ride. All of these 3kv DC locos will be uncoupled in Brennero and replaced with 15kV AC locos for the descent to Innsbruck. It remains to be seen if this route will still be used once the Brenner 'basis tunnel' opens - https://www.bbt-se.com/en/tunnel/project-overview/#:~:text=The Brenner Base Tunnel (BBT) is a straight,,km tunnel links to the Brenner Base Tunnel.
Like you Alan, I love these railcar sets and that one is a cracker, esp with the interior lighting. As usual, coming late to the party, the prices have shot up but am v tempted to get one having found one on a dealer site in Frànce 🤔Hi all,
Hope you are all safe and well, and hope you are recovering well Babs.
Well not much been happening recently, my wife's father died a few weeks back and we have been busy with all that follows, funeral, probate and sorting his house out. I'm sure he never threw anything away in his whole life ! we're onto the fourth skip already. As he didn't live that close we can only go at weekends.
Still, I have managed to make a couple of purchases, 2 railcars. A Trix 22738 electric , and a Piko 52882 diesel, both reasonably priced considering they are both DCC sound
Earlier researches indicated that DR classification evolved as I showed in a little table I produced in the DR thread. You sort of guessed it with 0.1 denoting a rebuild but complicated by the differentiation between coal or oil fired. I was concerned here with the 01 class but i think the logic holds good for other classes. I will have a look at other classes when I have time. I am not sure what the numbering policy was in DB.On the Eastern side I can see 65.10 and 83.10, but both were new constructions, so I am not sure what the .10 signifies.
Most class names on either side didn't have a dot in them though.
You have had a long wait Neil but I am finally ready to resume this thread. I have been struggling to copy spreadsheets into MRF posts but finally settled on the method of printing to paper, then scanning the printout to a .jpg file which can be uploaded to my chosen cloud and included in an MRF post in the usual manner. If anyone knows an easier method then please let me know.
So, this is a small tabulation showing the evolution of the Class 01 in the DDR; from 1950 to 1975. I will eventually add the earlier and later details but this spread of years illustrates the history of this class in the DR years quite adequately:
Hopefully the table is easy to follow, the "z" denotes an unserviceable condition whilst the "K" denotes a locomotive in exclusive Russian service as per the explanation a couple of posts ago. It is astonishing that in 1950, out of a class total extant in East Germany of 70, 26 were not fit for service and 18 were working the transit "Kollone" routes through Poland to Russia. This left just 26 Class 01 pacifics for work on the DR network. 1950 was still early days in the post war reconstruction of routes and infrastructure and there was still a much reduced passenger service so more mundane locomotives could be used on most routes without too much inconvenience. Obviously the occupying power took precedence.
01 005 as numbered and marked up circa 1950 when allocated to Kollone 42. Black livery, wheels and underframe red but with wheel rims painted white.
The only significant change to the Class 01 prior to 1964 was the return to the general DR fleet of the Kollone locomotives, most by 1953 (all Kollone markings soon eradicated). The modification to Class 01.5 started in 1964, with a total of 35 being completed by 1965, several converted to oil burning. Reconstructed locomotives were known as RekoLoks. This was important as under the Comecon common industrial policy the DDR was not supposed to be building large steam engines but apparently reconstruction was acceptable. Just how much of these locomotives was in fact new is a matter for conjecture. By 1970 there had been a further reclassification following the adoption of computer format numbering, the unrebuilt Class 01 being redesignated as 01.2 and the 01.5 becoming 01.0 and 01.1, respectively oil and coal burners. This numbering scheme was retained right through to withdrawal in the late 1980's. If you pick up a model locomotive it should become apparent to which era the locomotive belongs if you refer to the "Number Range" column of the table.
Some of the reconstructed 01's were fitted with Boxpok wheels and Roco H0 models have been produced with both types of wheels for both Epoch 3 and 4.
If you are looking for a model of a particular DR Class 01 or sub class for a particular epoch or date then this website may prove useful: DR Locomotive website
Best regards .............. Greyvoices (alias John)
That looks correct to me. Class (Baureihe, BR) 83.10 of the DR, era IV.This may shed some light on the subject
Box label reads BR 83.10 DR, Epoch 4
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