[Mercator II]

Hi all, it been awile.

Just thought I would up date you as I have finally started work on the silver jub' set I got last year as the gits at work made me redundant and I now have spare time on me hands.

The shells are made for the Brake First/Corridor First twin and Rest' Open First/Kitchen/Rest' Open Third triplet. Some interier has been done and Bachmann Thompson bogies purschased.

The roofs have been test fitted, a few choice words have been said as the gaps could fit an MPD in them, some filler is very much needed!!

Not sure how much interior painting am going to do as most of it will not be visable.

Am taking plenty of pic as I think it will make a good artical for one of the mag's. If I ever figure out how to post them I will of course share them with you.

Brian

 

[dwb]

>Not sure how much interior painting am going to do as most of it will not be visable.
So long as you don't put lights in, that's probably a safe bet.

David

 

[Mercator II]

Its nearly time to paint them now, only the seats in the two open restaurant coaches to fit, all other interior is complete and roofs on. Its down to some fine fettling then begin masking up, going to get the copydex today for tha

Paint will also be ordered today then if this excellent weather lasts should have them first coated by weekend.

I will then post some pics and wait some kind replies from all!

Brian

 

[pedromorgan]

hello brian.

I look forward to seeing the pics. dont forget to rub down the plastic sides before you paint them. the clear plastic is very smooth and the paint dosent stick to it very well.
I had the problem of the whole lot comming off when i took some masking tape off and i had to basically start again.

peter

 

[Mercator II]

Thanks for the advise on that Peter, will rub down the sides, what grit paper did you use?

The paint is on order from phionex and they said I have to use there thinners as all the thinners I have will ruin it, have I just been had?

Have got the copydex ready for masking up the windows so its all proceding to plan, just need 3 more Bachmann Thompson bogies and a couple of nails to weight down the valiences to prevent swinging (thats for another web site!!!)

Brian

 

[Mercator II]

I have painted the coaches now, only problem is that I should of offered the paint upto the loco first, they don't match!

I used the phionex p54 silver grey as per instructions but it is alot darker than the loco, Hornby A4 Silver Fox (lastest gen)

Is the loco the wrong colour or is the paint to dark, I dont fancy painting a brand new loco

It also doest match the old A4 but that was moulded in colour plastic so wasn't expecting it to!

When the weather picks back up i may lighten the paint with white and try to colour match it

Any advice?

Brian

 

[pedromorgan]

Hello Brian

Sorry i missed your post on the 5th. i have been having a couple of days off.

QUOTE (bro sewell)Thanks for the advise on that Peter, will rub down the sides, what grit paper did you use?

The paint is on order from phionex and they said I have to use there thinners as all the thinners I have will ruin it, have I just been had?

Have got the copydex ready for masking up the windows so its all proceding to plan, just need 3 more Bachmann Thompson bogies and a couple of nails to weight down the valiences to prevent swinging (thats for another web site!!!)

Brian

I use 1000, 1200 and 2000grit. depending on what its for and my mood! i tend to keep the 2000 grit for taking blemishes of finished paintwork.

With regards to the thinner. no you wernt had! one tin of thinner is not the same as another. they are spacifically engineered for a paticular paint. it can contain all sorts of things such as alcohol and solvents as well as the usual white spirits and other petrolum products. they are also engineered to evaporate at a speed which suits the application. for example when spraying paint i use a very fast drying thinner to get the coverage but when spraying varnish i want the varnish to remain wet when its on the surface of the model so i use a very slow drying thinner. Some people try and spray paint with white spirit which dries far too slowly with the resyult that they have to give the model about 10 cotes of paint (and 10 opportunities for dust to contaminate the finish.)

In short its a bit like wiskey. they all say wiskey on the bottle but they are far from being all the same.

We are very luckey with phoenix in that we have a manufacturer that sells us very small quantities of industrial grade paints. But the downside of this is that we have to treat them as industrial grade paints with regard to the preperation and processes that we have to go through. i have found that people who dont like phoenix paints tend to be people who treated it the same as they had been treating humbrol for donkey's years!

I have gotten carried away again havent I. i am starting to sound like a phoenix advert. -sorry.

Peter

 

[34C]

QUOTE (bro sewell @ 18 Jun 2007, 13:47) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have painted the coaches now, only problem is that I should of offered the paint upto the loco first, they don't match!

I used the phoenix p54 silver grey as per instructions but it is alot darker than the loco, Hornby A4 Silver Fox (lastest gen)

Is the loco the wrong colour or is the paint to dark, I dont fancy painting a brand new loco

It also doest match the old A4 but that was moulded in colour plastic so wasn't expecting it to!

When the weather picks back up i may lighten the paint with white and try to colour match it
Best bet is to try Phoenix for advice, they may have a lighter tone that will better match the loco. An undercoat can make a significant difference too, may be worth a test of the paint(s) with white underneath. Matching up metallic colours from different sources is notoriously difficult, so even if a lighter tone is available you may have to reconcile yourself to a slightly different appearance, unless prepared to repaint the loco.

In your position I would not repaint the loco, but concentrate on getting the coaches as close as possible, and then have it that the loco is just ex-works repainted, while the coaches have been in traffic for some time, as the finish would naturally darken. Regarding the loco as just ex-works also avoids any thoughts of weathering of the finish. Colour-Rail NE74 is THE reference colour picture of a silver A4 in service, and I would say that the subtle weathering would be testing to replicate.

 

[Mercator II]

In short its a bit like wiskey. they all say wiskey on the bottle but they are far from being all the same.

Hi Peter,

with regards to the quote, it all depends on where the said booze comes from, if its Scottish it will be Whiskey, if Irish it will be Whisky, if American it will Bourbon (but they cant make it properly!!) still all tastes foul to me

Brian

 

[5696Arethusa]

QUOTE (bro sewell @ 20 Jun 2007, 11:40) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>In short its a bit like wiskey. they all say wiskey on the bottle but they are far from being all the same.

Hi Peter,

with regards to the quote, it all depends on where the said booze comes from, if its Scottish it will be Whiskey, if Irish it will be Whisky, if American it will Bourbon (but they cant make it properly!!) still all tastes foul to me

Brian

But Jack Daniels is the drink of rock gods, smooth yet has just the right amount of fire in it.

You sorted the colour out today? It's been gloriously sunny down here today, made me wish I wasn't at work so I could spend some time on the Coronation.

 

[neil_s_wood]

QUOTE (bro sewell @ 20 Jun 2007, 20:40) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>In short its a bit like wiskey. they all say wiskey on the bottle but they are far from being all the same.

Hi Peter,

with regards to the quote, it all depends on where the said booze comes from, if its Scottish it will be Whiskey, if Irish it will be Whisky, if American it will Bourbon (but they cant make it properly!!) still all tastes foul to me

Brian
Sorry Brian wrong way around. In Scotland and Canada it's Whisky and in the USA and Ireland they have a similar drink (which is nothing like the real thing) called Whiskey.

No other drink in the world compares to Lagavullin

 

[Mercator II]

Seams as if we have been divirted off path, maybe we should set up a new thread of what refreshes you during or after a busy modelling session, personally I love a good strong cup of 'rosy lee' as I Andii will tell you, I keep PG in business!! But if its a 'proper' drink, it will be either a chilled lager or maybe a Southern Comfort n coke

Andii, not done anything else to the coaches for a week or so, must get on with it but you know what its like, she has other ideas for my time ( and if you tell her I will denie all!)

Brian

 

[Mercator II]

Finally got a break in the weather yesterday and got another chance to do some spraying, its going to take a third go at getting this colour to match, have lightened up the p54 silver grey with white, took a whole jar and a bit more. thinned the required amount an set to, it looked a pretty good match to the loco prior to spraying but when dry it was still to dark, will have to go and buy more white on saturday and have another go as weather men say we are in for a dry weekend (about time) Will keep you updated on my progress

Brian

 

[5696Arethusa]

QUOTE (bro sewell @ 6 Jul 2007, 10:37) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Finally got a break in the weather yesterday and got another chance to do some spraying, its going to take a third go at getting this colour to match, have lightened up the p54 silver grey with white, took a whole jar and a bit more. thinned the required amount an set to, it looked a pretty good match to the loco prior to spraying but when dry it was still to dark, will have to go and buy more white on saturday and have another go as weather men say we are in for a dry weekend (about time) Will keep you updated on my progress

Brian
Picture posted on behalf of bro sewell
The results off the colour matching and some co-operation from the weather

 

[5696Arethusa]

More pictures just in from the coach shop

 

[7113]

Looks fine to me.

Regards

John

 

[2512silverfox]

I have only recently joined this forum and apologise for coming in (too) late on this item.

The three shades of grey which are sold by Phoenix came originally from the Cherry range which I had a hand in matching. The light colour grey sold by Phoenix is correct (as are the other two). The matches were made at the NRM in 1975 against a 5" gauge A4 built by the Doncaster apprentices in 1935 and painted in the Doncaster paint shop. Given that the model has never been in other than artificial light, and indeed for much of the time has been in total darkness, one can be fairly certain that the paints are almost exactly as applied in 1935.

In 1975 the model was given a thorough clean and polish, and no noticeable change in hue was noted. I think it was in the S Kensington Science Museum for a while, but they do not seem to even recognise the existance of railways there now!

I am pretty certain that Hornby are the ones who have the colour wrong despite being offered advice some twenty five years ago!

Despite all the above, if it looks right toyou, then it is.

 

[nzpaul]

hi all
2512, you said that Hornby have got the colour wrong, just want to know on which model? I've brought one of the new A4s (2510 Quicksilver) from Modelfair and it's a completely different shade of grey from the older tender driven version. From the one colour photo I have of a Grey A4 the new Hornby model looks quite accurate(??) but the older version is too metalic looking. Sorry bro sewell not trying to diverge from the point of the thread, nice coach building, reminds me I've got a Coronation set to get on with sitting in the cupboard somewhere.......

Cheers
Paul

 

[Mercator II]

Thanks for the info Silver Fox,

have started to put the decals on now, had a small problem with the Foxes set in the way that the 'set' was missing the door class numbers and only had 12 LNER for the sides, need 16 as am modelling the full 8 coach formation, but a quick call to Foxes and they have promised to send out the missing items today

The Silver Chrome is only just visable on the Grey so am glad I played with the colour or I might not see them at all

Paul, hope you get your Corination out as these are fun kits to build, Arethusa (my brother is nearing completion of his set and Pedromorgan was making a set but not sure how far is is as he is a very busy modeller with lots on the go at any one time

More pic will follow

Brian

 

[2512silverfox]

Paul

I refer to the earlier tender drive A4's to which I assumed the builder was referring. I have one of the steam A4s in grey which is quite near, but not the later loco driven one.

As a follow up on this subject, because the coaches were in evryday use and cleaned by different methods, it is quite likely that there was a marginal difference, especially when one consider that from 1938 the SJ set was recovered externally with silver grey Rexine!

Not usre that we will ever be sure now.