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Lovely new models which I would love to buy, but yet again Heljan's research department lets them down badly.

Green Class 26/27 (sorry Sulzer Type 2s) with no front door or indicator discs ???

What a great shame - as is their stance on not re-profiling the Class 33/0 roof ! How I would love to buy them, too !

 

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I'd agree that there are some niggles that Heljan could do with addressing, but at least they seem to be putting a great deal of effort in - how many manufacturers would have bothered to do so much work on a model like the 33/2, a very small class? And the O gauge 47 is pulling on my wallet too!
 

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There are of course quite a few examples of green loco's with the doors plated over backed up by photo evidence so possibly it isn't down to research errors more down to doing a batch of similar loco's before altering the tooling to produce a different set of slightly different examples. Not got any yet with the cab door windows removed either, but that hasn't drawn much comment either. They have however announced some interesting releases for next year.
 

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It would be nice to think you're right spongebob


However, I have my doubts, especially with the stance they have taken over the 33/0 roof profiles (such a shame)

What else do they have in the pipeline (apart from the Clayton) ?
 

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They have the Class 58 and Falcon in the pipeline. According to heljan 58 is a 3rd quarter release, the clayton will be released at Warley, i cant remember when Falcon will be released.

Alistair
 

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'Lovely new models which I would love to buy, but yet again Heljan's research department lets them down badly.
Green Class 26/27 (sorry Sulzer Type 2s) with no front door or indicator discs ???'

I think it's your research department thats let you down badly Don
, within a couple of minutes of picking up a book I found:
Cl 27 5407/1/15 Green small yellow panel without doors, hinges still in place
5402 as above with full yellow end
Cl 26 5326/33/41 Green small yellow panel without doors and with indicator discs

I've not looked for full yellow end 26's that meet the criteria, the three above would do at the very least.
So rest easy, you can go and buy them, for info the discs are in the box.

Any way heres a Heljan 33/0 I've messed around with


 

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Hi Papa

Yeah my research department is pants, but I still think that Hejan's is too


Nice job on the 33/0, but I still have problems with that profile I'm afraid
Would solve all the problems (sorry, MY problems *LOL*) if only Heljan would fix them with the new rooves.

As to the fronts of these beasts, they were mucked around with so much, but I do know that when first introduced (and the next few intervening years, which sadly I am interested in) the door panels were still in situ - certainly they were all built with them.

Now, if only those bleeping drivers hadn't complained about draughts !!

 

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The simple fact is that Heljans research department is correct. There were green 27s with no doors. Any pictures I can find date from 68,69. However it is possible the door replacement program started in 66. Therefore you might just catch the end of ScR steam (1967) if you want to mix green diesels and steam.

Heljans efforts are commendable in comparison to Hornbys mistakes such as the full yellow nose 121 and now the 156 with a grey roof and at least they listen and correct them sometimes!

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I have today had a reply from Heljan. They back up their research with photos that they sent me. They have based their models on these, I believe, but all the photos were taken in the late 60s - and yes, by then the models depicted (including D5401) had had their doors removed.

Still doesn't solve the problem for me though - being firmly based in the steam/diesel era (and I remember it so well) the doors were still extant !
 

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>I have today had a reply from Heljan. They back up their research with photos that they sent me
to Heljan for that!
Perhaps it might be suggested to Heljan that they consider having separately moulded nose pieces for the body shell on future models. Then they can mix and match to their heart's content. The downside is that it would put up the price and maybe introduce an unsightly line at the joint.

David
 

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Copyright D cross and N Preedy respectively.

So Don, you were wrong then. Theres more than enough stick that manufacturers get these days without ill informed opinion adding to it, and in the past it's been heavily implied that this forums members are more responsible than other fora regarding comments about manufacturers. Nice to see the balance redressed. Despite both myself and Russell finding published images of the locos in the state that Heljan had portrayed, you were quite adamant they were wrong and you were right


'Still doesn't solve the problem for me though - being firmly based in the steam/diesel era (and I remember it so well) the doors were still extant !'

Well you can either wait untill they release a door version, or scribe them in yourself. It's not the biggest job in the world.
 

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Papa

There is no need for nastiness, especially at Christmas.

The 26 and 27 classes were built with doors. Full stop. The period that I model means that they should have doors. Nice photos, but I think you will find that they slot in the the late 60s, ie after the steam/diesel mixed era. Here are a couple from "my" era (respects to the authors, I do not know the source):





Heljan have justified their models, and I have accepted that - it's just a shame that they seem to shy away from the steam/diesel era.

Anyway - Happy Christmas
 

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I think it's the language you used thats sparked off the robust rebuttal Don. Heljan demonstrably have got it right, what you should have said is that the version they have produced is not the one you want/remember best.

Like Pappa says there are two options, wait until a nose door version is released or diy. Hang on there's another; you could always buy an old Lima one, the bottom should have well and truly dropped out of the market.
 

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I probably be alone on this, sincerely think it is most important that a model runs without faults, mechanical or electrical. Myself, buy a model that looks good and responds to all signals given by the CPU and now DCC rather than put off by minor errors as one example - in a door being 1mm out or incorrect colour.
 

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Don, I was certainly not being nasty, and the fact that its christmas is irrelevant judging by the tone of your earlier posts. If you've never been known for your subtlety as you put it you cant complain when you happen across someone who responds in a similar manner to you surely? I was just replying in the same vein as you used rebutting both Russell and my own info that we had access to data that indicated that the HJ molding and colour choice was correct. All I was doing was stating factual information, and not an unresearched opinion, as yours clearly was.
I'm well aware of the dates of the images I've used, (I found them and supplied them remember?), however the colour scheme from your images fits in a period that I have images of, of the same scheme from 1962 to 1970, I note at least one 27 in green with small yellow panels and still with doors in 1970. So your illustrated 'era' comfortably cover steam/diesel. I note you make comments re the colour scheme on the 27's yet both your images show 26's from the first production batch.
I'm more than aware that both classes were introduced with nose doors, out of the two of us theres only one who seems a litlle less familiar with the many many variants of both classes than the other. Full stop as you so eloquently out it.
 

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Good for you papa !


So you think my post was unresearched eh......

No, I won't be drawn in to an arguement, but it seems that you can't get away from adding the odd snipe. So I'll join in shall I ?

Nope, not now, it's Christmas
 
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