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Hi and Moin!,

this weekend, I´ve had some interesting discussion with a few British soldiers stationed nearby in Hamlin who are also model railroaders, 00 scale.

Their feeling was that continental modellers, the German variety in particular (seems they haven´t met any Austrian modeller yet
), are nitpickers who are never satisfied, no matter how good the model they´re offered really is. As an example, they stated the Hornby-Rivarossi class 58...

I did beg to differ, and over a few pints of ale (for our younger audience: a couple cans of soda pop), we went through some HO models we thought were worth mentioning as "perfect" (or, at least "near perfect"), and we did come up with a few. Our criteria were detail, correct dimensions and quality (both the material the model is made of and running). Wheel flanges are too high on most continental models, we all agreed on that.

Now, while I can merely mention my top three models as of now, not show them (I haven´t made any pictures of them as of now), which models do you consider among the HO top ten, and why?

My top three are: Fleischmann class 95, Fleischmann class 18.5, and Brawa G4/5H; I´ll elaborate once I´ve made the photos.

Which are yours?
 

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Interesting. When I first got the Brawa class 56.4 (G4/5H) i thought it was stunning. I then got the Brawa DRG 75.0 (T5) and that is a stunning locomotive, between these two are DRG 57.4 (Hh).

But my favourite locomotive of all time has to be my Marklin K.W.St.E. K (2-12-0) truely stunning.

If we are honest the Hornby-Rivarossi class 58 is a very good locomotive, let down by a poor motor/electronics combination. I havn't heard of anyone knocking the looks of it just the way it runs. I would take a locomotive that was less detailed but ran well rather than a highly detailed locomotive that runs badly.

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I can't think of any situation where a 50/50 chance the model will suffer complete mechanical failure in short order would be acceptable. This isn't nitpicking.

For the record I can only think of 3 British OO locos in a decade where there was a serious mechanical problem : Bachmann's A1 (fullscale product recall for locos to be fitted with replacement motor) , Bachmann Jinty (strong whispers of poor running with the first batch , very few reviews - the model has become something people don't seem to mention , even though there are first hand reports of excellent running from subsequent batches) , Bachmann K3 (2 magazine review samples failed on test, reports of problems from others - although subsequent batches are known to be fine and I've seen an early release that its owner is very pleased with, the model is widely reputed to be a poor seller, and Bachmann have stubbornly declined to produce any further new models of ex LNER locos)

Given that the mechanical problems with the Hornby BR58 are evidently worse than these cases, the model is clearly dead in the water, commercially. Hornby may be making a second batch which turn out to be fine, but the model won't sell , the model will never sell , and Hornby would be well advised to forget about any further new German outline steam models in HO for a long time - say a decade - and stick to diesels and electrics in that market. If a British model which fills a very large gap for a poorly served consituency (the K3) won't sell because of initial mechanical problems, there's no chance for a German HO model with more severe problems - especially as pretty well everything that ran in Germany after 1918 is already available RTR in HO from someone else (often several times over) and there are no gaps to fill
 

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QUOTE (Ravenser)Bachmann Jinty (strong whispers of poor running with the first batch , very few reviews - the model has become something people don't seem to mention , even though there are first hand reports of excellent running from subsequent batches)

Mine has had 3 new motors. i have now given up on it completly. i just got fed up with paying the postage. evry time i got it backl it would run perfectly for about 3 minutes before expiring in a puff of very realistic smoke.

i have also seen a couple of others that have suffered problems with the split axles.

I dont know what mech is in the current incarnation but its always been a nicely detailed model.

For perfect loco's my votes woud go to my roco BR01. my chinese SY and my Rivarossi Big Boy (others have complained about it but i really cant see anything wrong with it. its a stunning model and runs beautifully)

Peter
 

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QUOTE (Dinwiddy @ 17 Mar 2008, 17:36) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Neither does the Retailer!!!

On the rare occasions that we have sent any faulty goods back we have asked for & received our postage costs back (usually in the form of a credit note) from the manufacture/supplier/importer.
 

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QUOTE (neil_s_wood @ 17 Mar 2008, 22:24) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Did you have three Continental Locos that you highly rated Brian?

Hi Neil,

I keep trying to narrow it down, without much success. However here are three ;

Mehano HGK 66 with sound
Roco OGEG preserved ex DR01
Trix BR53 (the one they never built)

to be honest, there are more than 3 !
 

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Hi Ravenser,

The DRG was formed by merging 7 provincial railways. At the time of the merger locomotive production of these individual railways companies dwsigns stopped and standard designs were introduced (ok for every rule there is an exception, the DRG 18.5 was actually built to the plan of the Bavarian S 3/6). At this stage I think that there were inexcess of 30,000 steam locomotives on the books.

While most of the "standard" built locomotives have been produced (class 01, 02, 03, 05, 06, 19, 23, 24, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 50, 52, 61, 62, 64, 71, 80, 81, 84, 85, 86, 87, 89) there are a large number of the provincial railway locomotives that have not ben built.

If we look at just the class 18 (4-6-2) there are in fact 5 different locomotives
Class 18.0 Saschsen XVIII
Class 18.1 Wurttemberg C
Class 18.2 Baden IVf
Class 18.3 Baden IVh
Class 18.4 Bavarian S 3/6

The class 03 was designed to take over the role of the class 18's

I would say that by class varient only 30-40% of german steam locomotives post 1918 have been modelled

John
 

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Hi,

Although i'm not into "detail" that much (my motto being balance between the looks and the technology) my favorite lokos are Marklin K.W.St.E. Klasse C 2004 and Marklin Br 55, plus Roco Taiga Trommel (some credit should go to the amazing sound too, if it counts).

In the meantime the question obviously begs for discerning the time of production too.

Best regards,

Cem.
 

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I am with Neil on this one, the Brawa 06 is just a great Loco also my Roco 50 is very nice, however IMO the Liliput 45 I have has the best sound that I have heard so far out of quite a few Epoch 11 Loks, the ESU Loksound decoder has really got that 3 cylinder sound down, and it runs really nice,not bad looking either.

Regards

Anthony

QUOTE (neil_s_wood @ 18 Mar 2008, 22:48) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Makes you wonder why so many companies insist on duplicating already available items?
 

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yep, makes you womder.

Just shows how inovative Brawa is choosing to model different locomotive to everyone else (the T5 is an exception)

Guess with all the Brand modellers out there if one brand can sell it to there brand specific modellers, the rest can as well.

John
 
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