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The other day I decided to pull out my Hornby Pendolino and give it a whirl in a vain attempt to justify spending around 100 quid on it. I was reminded why I haven't done so for some time. As I was watching it stutter and grind along, occasionally stopping dead in it's tracks, intermittently bolting along like a bat out of hell, I was pondering whether anyone had ever made a worse model rail product?

This is no mean challenge, I have never had a loco with unpredictability drive before. The ability to change direction unprompted by use of a controller is no mean feat. It actually sometimes has the forward lights on at one end while travelling the opposite direction. It really is a dire effort.

So what I was wondering was, has anyone every bought a model rail product e.g. loco or train pack, which really sucked? Something so abysmally poor you really felt cheated?

Has anyone ever encountered a loco worse than the Pendolino?
 

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QUOTE (neil_s_wood @ 5 Jun 2007, 00:40) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>So what I was wondering was, has anyone every bought a model rail product e.g. loco or train pack, which really sucked? Something so abysmally poor you really felt cheated?

Oh Yes!

Several come to mind.I have had the same feeling of dissapointment and let down.

Firstly.The special edition Bachmann LT Pannier from the LT Museum at a premium price,desirable item bought with great expectations only to find it waddles like a duck even after run in.I understand that this LT Museum ordered version was the last production using the old pannier molds,chassis and assemblies.
I think there is a new verion but no idea how it runs etc.

Next a Lima Class 73 Royal Alex Pullman livery,again great expectations only to find it also waddles! For a limited run model I expected a lot more.

Then there was the special edition Bachmann Jinty in Midland Maroon.It has very poor starting from stop due in part to the 3 pole motor [I beleive] that Bachmann persists in using when today everybody else is using 5 pole motors.
Maybe they over bought a factories entire production run of 3 poles very cheaply and have to use them up.Who knows
Had quite a tirade going on with Bachmann at one time over the Jinty.
They implied that my controllers were at fault,true they are old but they could not satisfactorily explain why all the new 5 poled Hornby,European and Japanese models run like a charm from stop.
It was quite refreshing to see my new Hornby M7 tank run.Right out of the box.Smooth and steady and excelent slow running from stop with my old trusty controllers.How things should be.

The Hornby Eurostar ain't so hot either.

I could go on and on but......

I have been very impressed with the running of european makers Roco et al hence my conversion and interest.
The same goes my ancient and modern Japanese items that run very well.

But I digress,

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Bryan.
 

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he he. i like this thread.

I once paid £35 (alot of money for me at the time) on a bachmann (not spectrum) FA unit. the paint is so bad it is impossible to see any detail. the couplings are incompatable with evrything else in the known universe, the motor is barely big enough to drive the loco on its own and certainatly wont pull any sort of train.

It makes even the older lima models look good. the worst thing is aparently they are still selling this stuff in the US!

One day i might strip the paint off as i am curious to see if there is actually and detail under there. it muct be a good 2mm thick!

Peter
 

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This had to a Hornby GWR 2-8-0. Originally bought for the display case this was the Ultimate lemon. Slow running with the tender drive was impossible, the wheels of the loco constantly jammed and just got pushed along at high speed by the tender drive unit in it's jammed condition. Finally the smoke unit located in the body incinerated the boiler and destroyed the body. Relief for everyone !
 

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My Mainline Standard 4 4MT (bought 1977??) was pretty poor, it lasted a few months of not particularly smooth running before the half axles seperated from each other, causing terminal quatering problems!
WRT to bachmann panniers waddling, I think that is as per the prototype.
 

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QUOTE (Thumper @ 5 Jun 2007, 08:08) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>WRT to bachmann panniers waddling, I think that is as per the prototype.

Hence the pannier in the Thomas stories is called duck!

I have thought about this and can't actually think of any real "lemons" I have ever purchased - perhaps I've just been lucky?

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The Lima J50 would be my contender, even as a cheap s/h purchase. Cab full of motor despite plenty of space within the seriously under detailed and questionably proportioned body. Sounded like a coffee grinder and looked worse when running with the centre wheel set not actually connected to the rods, and a poor electrical pick-up arrangement which would very readily come out of alignment with the wheels, leading to unreliable running. Very quickly the boss on the large plastic gear was cut away by the steel retainer. After several fixes and repairs in rapid succession to overcome its' deficiencies, it was clear that it was not worth wasting any more time on this piece of junk. The best thing about it was the large block of lead ballast, which has been promoted to use in other, better, models.

Concerning the Mainline steam models with split chassis mentioned by Thumper, the first thing to do with these was to araldite the insulating muffs to the wheels. That way the wheels would not fall off before the motor clapped out! Generally the Mainline steam models were in the category 'good body moulding, shame about the supplied mechanism'.
 

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QUOTE (BRITHO @ 5 Jun 2007, 13:33) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have thought about this and can't actually think of any real "lemons" I have ever purchased - perhaps I've just been lucky?

Regards

John

Apart from your average car - good job we are not talking about them here !
 

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The locos I most regret buying are a Hornby class 29 and a Hornby class 25 circa 1980.

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QUOTE (dbclass50 @ 5 Jun 2007, 20:59) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Apart from your average car - good job we are not talking about them here !

Which is marginally better than my choice of women....................

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My worst loco has to be a Minitrix Ivatt in BR Green. A pretty little loco which I saved up for, it was bought new at a show and tested on a layout, where it seemed to run well. At home thousands of miles away it lurched and growled its way round my layout.

All the best 'mechanics' at our club tried to help but to no avail. It's stayed in its box ever since.

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The worst loco I've bought to date has to also be one fo the best.
Hornbys class 50 Sir Edward Elgar(pristine condition) This loco is beautifully detailed, as quiet as a mouse and on a straight bit of track could probably pull all the rolling stock I own. But that damn close coupling mech they've fitted will not centre after a curve so it sits in its box.
As for Mainline locos, I have 3 J72s, a std4 and a rebuilt Patriot all of which run very nicely indeed and are 100 times better than the locos offered by Hornby and Lima at that time, as a side note I purchased a Mainline Manor a few years back, a few months later the castings that held the cogs of drivetrain in place broke so I replaced the chasis with a Bachmann one, the loco has less tractive effort now.
 

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Mine has to be my Bachmann Deltic ... Lovly looking loco in two tone green but can't be run for more than 5 minutes before the motor completly dies and won't restart until it has cooled down.
 

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QUOTE (5696Arethusa @ 13 Jun 2007, 20:54) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>But that damn close coupling mech they've fitted will not centre after a curve so it sits in its box.

I'm not familier with the mechanism used by H, but I we have had similar problems with (Bachmann) Liliput rolling stock - the solution we have found (after checking for burrs in the mouldings, springs correct ect) is to apply a touch of silicon lubricant to the mechanism. So far it's done the trick.
(If you have not got any actual silicone lubricant many household spray polishes have enough silicone content to do the trick.)

Hope this helps.
 

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QUOTE (Jennings @ 13 Jun 2007, 21:47) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Mine has to be my Bachmann Deltic ... Lovly looking loco in two tone green but can't be run for more than 5 minutes before the motor completly dies and won't restart until it has cooled down.

Sounds like a duff motor to me?

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QUOTE (dbclass50 @ 14 Jun 2007, 08:17) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm not familier with the mechanism used by H, but I we have had similar problems with (Bachmann) Liliput rolling stock - the solution we have found (after checking for burrs in the mouldings, springs correct ect) is to apply a touch of silicon lubricant to the mechanism. So far it's done the trick.
(If you have not got any actual silicone lubricant many household spray polishes have enough silicone content to do the trick.)

Hope this helps.

Thanks for the tip, I'll give that a go. I had heard that graphite could be used as a lubricant so I ground up a little 4B pencil lead and tried that to no avail so I really hope this works.
 
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