[Richard Johnson]

*** In a nutshell

The Midlands pullmans were originally ex USA in the classic US Pullman style. Midland and Later LMS allocated Pullman workshops space at the Derby carriage works.

When the pullman contact expired after grouping, LMS declined to renew the pullman contact and took the service and coaches on themselves. They were all as far as I know allocated to Scotland, and the diagrammes at that time were not very different to the classic matchboard side pullmans marketed now by Hornby. LMS painted them in lined Lake.

Pullman still continued operating from buildings close to LMS carriage works in Derby...

The images I have of Midland pullmans in the later diagrammes seem to show 6 wheel bogies not 4 wheel as per Hornby Pullmans - I too would like more specific info if anyone has it. (I do have some ex Jenkins Essery (Midland carriages, LMS Carriages etc) but its far from complete data).

I intend to re-bogie and repaint a couple using the data I have soon, so any data prior to that project will be greatly appreciated - Otherwise I can guarantee just as I add the completed fully lined coaches to the layout, someone will say "no, that coach had seven windows not eight" or something similarly annoying!!

Richard

PS: I'd really appreciate any detailed info on the lining for the LNWR Royal train coaches after LMS repainted them too..... That will motivate me to get the kits I have built!

 

[Richard Johnson]

QUOTE (34C @ 8 Dec 2008, 20:26) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>'Pullman (travelling in style)' by Brian Haresnape pub Ian Allan; is a good summary history of Pullman cars in the UK, and well illustrated to show the development in appearance as the designs evolved from the original US clerestory roof open end platform design.

*** Hi

Does it discuss the all the various pre-nationalisation regions and the diagrammes/allocation they ran or does it focus on Southern and LNER usage? If it covers Midland, Caley and what the LMS did with the Pullmans they took into LMS stock after the end of contact, then I'll seek it out.

Richard

 

[Richard Johnson]

Thanks 34C and Nick - that adds to my knowledge as well as Robs.

It may be stretching memories to ask, but does either book have info as to the diagrammes used - ie line drawings or pictures - I ask as the one LMS painted pullman photo I have seems to have a different window count to the hornby coaches and be on 6 wheel bogies..

I ask as re-painting and re-lining is no problem, but I'd like to get at least the primary stuff right first - bogies, matchwood or plated sides, basic window count and interior layout....

Nick. A leading question - is there enough hard info to make it worth buying that book? Is it current?

Sincere thanks

Richard

 

[Richard Johnson]

Thanks Nick - valuable info.

Richard

 

[Richard Johnson]

QUOTE (Nick Holliday @ 12 Dec 2008, 19:20) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Just noticed that Caley Coaches is proposing to produce an etched brass kit for
12 wheeled Pullman Composite Dining Car 'Fair Maid of Perth', 'Flora MacDonald' & 'Lass O'Gowrie'
Built by Cravens Ltd. in 1914 for use on the Caledonian Railway in conjunction with the 'Grampian' coaching stock. There's a drawing on the website.
He's just waiting for enough interest to be shown, so everyone who wants one should get in touch!

***Thanks for that Nick - I emailed and committed to a couple... He tells me the drawings are painful process so they will be a while.

Richard

 

[Richard Johnson]

*** However the Midland cars were built to the UK loading gauge so would have been smaller than their US counterparts...

The loadiong gauge adjustments have some interesting results. When I wanted to build the LMS bogie coal wagons (Which were actually based on an EU prototype) I looked as a similar Roco HO model and was amazed to find that the bogie wheelbase and bogie spacings were correct for 4mm scale... as was the overall length and height.

If the project is important to you I'd buy one US HO Celrestory model and compare it with the available drawings for the Midland Pullman coaches - you just might be positively surprised how small the compromises will need to be compared to the effort in creating a whole new coach.

regards, Richard