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Hi everybody,

my local hobby shop had this nice Liliput engine (limited edition some years ago) of an S3/6 (class 18.4-6) engine for sale. It is a special 1920s livery in the intermediate Period between the Royal Bavarian State Railways and the Deutsche Reichsbahn called Gruppenverwaltung Bayern.

Astonishing enough, the delicate details weren´t snapped off like they are on most old Liliput class 18 models; the add-on parts will have to be mounted (but the little bag that contains them is still in pristine condition).

The engine features a set of inner rods between the main wheels that actually go back and forth.

If all little Englanders who think that German steam engines are black and red and feature ugly plumbing on the boiler please click the "back" button on their browser? Your prejudices are in jeopardy.


Thank you.



This picture I managed to take without a flash. This is the "real" color of the S 3/6.




Yes, the golden parts are lathed brass parts.




This will look even better with the add-on steps and ladders.

 

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QUOTE (ME 26-06 @ 10 Apr 2007, 17:20) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>If all little Englanders who think that German steam engines are black and red and feature ugly plumbing on the boiler please click the "back" button on their browser?
This will look even better with the add-on steps and ladders.

That's just one of the things I like about them ! Having said that some of the Bavarian & DRG liveries are very nice.

Look forward to seeing the photos with the bit's added.
 

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QUOTE (ME 26-06 @ 10 Apr 2007, 17:20) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>This is the "real" color of the S 3/6.

I'm reminded strongly of Thomas the Tank blue for some reason! An impressive locomotive and nice colour scheme, but it reminds me (being a fan of Austrian steam engines that are black and black with gold bits and feature ugly plumbing on the boiler) that even the most obscure German periods such as the 'Gruppenverwaltung Bayern' get a loco from a mainstream manufacturer. However us poor Austrian fans have to put up with repaints of German locomotives instead of several key Austrian designed locomotives with their distinctive shapes.

Whilst it is true there were a lot of German built steam engines in Austria it is still a bit lazy of the manufacturers. (Especially in N scale where all Minitrix, Fleischmann or Roco have ever done is repaint a model made for the German market!) Liliput did do the BBÖ Reihe 214 / ÖBB 12.0 a few years ago, but only in DRB (known as the BR 12) colours?! I don't claim to know of all the H0 models released but I can't imagine that any exist except for the very expensive one-off models made by cottage artisans for the BBÖ/ÖBB 100, 310 or legendary 214/12 class. Please correct me if I'm wrong here!

This one really is a monster:

ÖBB 12.013 in Wien West, Datum unbekannt, jedoch nach 1945. Foto: Sammlung Schaller.
from www.eisenbahn-bilder.com

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QUOTE (goedel @ 10 Apr 2007, 22:43) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm reminded strongly of Thomas the Tank blue for some reason! An impressive locomotive and nice colour scheme, but it reminds me (being a fan of Austrian steam engines that are black and black with gold bits and feature ugly plumbing on the boiler) that even the most obscure German periods such as the 'Gruppenverwaltung Bayern' get a loco from a mainstream manufacturer. However us poor Austrian fans have to put up with repaints of German locomotives instead of several key Austrian designed locomotives with their distinctive shapes.

Oh no, not at all! I like the distinctive shape of Gölsdorf´s engine designs, and albeit these are a bit pricey, here goes:

Liliput (Vienna): class 214 (several BBÖ and ÖBB liveries w/ different wind deflectors; I liked the black version with bright green lines)
Roco: class 310
Klein Modellbahn: class 429 and some freight engines as well

The "Gruppenverw. Bayern"-engines - there´s also a class P 3/5(*) as well as a G 3/4 by Trix, although these are discontinued since two decades or so - in my humble yet proud north German opinion came to life for solely one reason: most mainstream manufacturers are/were either in Bavaria (Trix, Fleischmann) or Austria (Bavaria to a person originally from Lübeck like myself...
). Prussian engines are rather hard to find, and although some rightfully have a reputation for being ugly, I´d take an S9 engine any day. Did you know that the Prussian State Railways (not Royal Prussian...) had a couple of Austrian-built class 310s for a short while before selling them to Poland? They called them S11, and I´d kind of like Roco to make that variant, yet it won´t happen as the Prussian engines were the ones with the Brotan boiler,whereas Roco makes the standard boiler engine.

(*) I´d like a model of that one...
 

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QUOTE (ME 26-06 @ 10 Apr 2007, 21:58) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Oh no, not at all! I like the distinctive shape of Gölsdorf´s engine designs, and albeit these are a bit pricey, here goes:

Liliput (Vienna): class 214 (several BBÖ and ÖBB liveries w/ different wind deflectors; I liked the black version with bright green lines)
Roco: class 310
Klein Modellbahn: class 429 and some freight engines as well
Thanks for that information ME 26-06!

I wasn't sure were to look since I haven't found an online H0 model database that matches the completeness of www.spurweite-n.de in N scale. I was looking through Liliput catalogues but only having the recent ones to hand I missed the other older liveries of the 214. Splendid!

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The Roco S3/6 is nice in green too.



Brawa have a very nice purple Pfalzbahn S2/6 model albeit very expensive.

The early K.Bay and KPEV locos come in some very nice colour schemes and look very attractive. I did get put off Fleischmann because of this as when I was looking through their catalogue it seemed to be a directory of black and red locos. I tend to prefer the Epoch I and Epoch II streamliners as they have more character, in my opinion.
 

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QUOTE (ME 26-06 @ 10 Apr 2007, 17:20) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>If all little Englanders who think that German steam engines are black and red and feature ugly plumbing on the boiler please click the "back" button on their browser? Your prejudices are in jeopardy.


funny. i dont remember seeing any of them on this forum.

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QUOTE (pedromorgan @ 11 Apr 2007, 10:59) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>funny. i dont remember seeing any of them on this forum.

Peter

The posts have been deleted, but they were there on the class 52 thread started by Baykal, where I posted my class 42 pics. In essence, they were about how fugly German steamers were in their black and red livery, and plumbing on the boiler, and how much better British engines looked with their bright and colorful liveries and their sleek boiler lines with all the pipes underneath the shrouding. I then asked about the class Y2, and the model, but before I got an answer, these posts had been deleted. I don´t want to intimidate the person who posted it, but I do remember that name as well.

goedel, are you still living in Austria? If so, a company named Dolischo has re-released the class 214 two or three years ago in Austrian livery, the models were made by Bachmann. Or, if feasible, you could also visit a Klein Modellbahn (not Kleinbahn) shop and look at the KKStB and BBÖ engines there. I read on a German forum that Klein Modellbahn has worked out a way to continue making models
, although they will be concentrating on Ep. I Austrian models rather than Ep. III-V international freight cars.
 

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QUOTE (ME 26-06 @ 11 Apr 2007, 10:05) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The posts have been deleted, but they were there on the class 52 thread started by Baykal, where I posted my class 42 pics. In essence, they were about how fugly German steamers were in their black and red livery, and plumbing on the boiler, and how much better British engines looked with their bright and colorful liveries and their sleek boiler lines with all the pipes underneath the shrouding. I then asked about the class Y2, and the model, but before I got an answer, these posts had been deleted. I don´t want to intimidate the person who posted it, but I do remember that name as well.

damn. and i was only gone 3 days!!

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When I first read the topic I thought I would have to delete this one as well!
The ÖBB 12.013 in Wien West is a monster that I would like to own. But hey beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I wouldn't mind "beholding" any of these.


Let's keep this topic on an even keel and just enjoy all of those pipes.
 

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QUOTE (Dennis David @ 11 Apr 2007, 13:29) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>When I first read the topic I thought I would have to delete this one as well!
The ÖBB 12.013 in Wien West is a monster that I would like to own. But hey beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I wouldn't mind "beholding" any of these.


Let's keep this topic on an even keel and just enjoy all of those pipes.


My point exactly. The tread name was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, to contrast the pictures that were to follow, and the line about the little Englanders was meant in a fun sort of way, too. I didn´t mean to offend anybody by that, and am sorry if I did. I was just poking fun, and did not intend to do harm.
 

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QUOTE (Dennis David @ 11 Apr 2007, 12:29) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>When I first read the topic I thought I would have to delete this one as well!
The ÖBB 12.013 in Wien West is a monster that I would like to own. But hey beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I wouldn't mind "beholding" any of these.


Let's keep this topic on an even keel and just enjoy all of those pipes.


Here here Dennis,

I for one have an interest in worldwide railways - at one time I even considered a layout based on New Zealand practice.......I even considered painting a 9F into DB livery just to see what it would look like.

QUOTE (ME 26-06 @ 11 Apr 2007, 12:55) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>My point exactly. The tread name was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, to contrast the pictures that were to follow, and the line about the little Englanders was meant in a fun sort of way, too. I didn´t mean to offend anybody by that, and am sorry if I did. I was just poking fun, and did not intend to do harm.

ME - worry not, I read it as tongue in cheek anyway - perhaps I'm just maladjusted - the pictures are great lets see more of them.

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QUOTE (ME 26-06 @ 11 Apr 2007, 10:05) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>goedel, are you still living in Austria? If so, a company named Dolischo has re-released the class 214...
Alas no ME 26-06, I'm in the UK. You must stop making such excellent suggestions though; I'm very tempted to re-morgage the house, change gauge from N to H0 and make some serious acquisitions!


There is still a real lack of Austrian-designed N steam in my opinion. However I have found a website featuring the class 214 in N scale
but it's not yet finished! There are some pictures of the progress made so far at http://www.locomotion.hoffer.com/N_Haupt.htm



Looks good! I wonder where they will put the motor, tender or locomotive? (Very topical (haha) at the moment...)

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I guess that's why I'm so lucky. With Anglo/Austro/Canadian breeding I can happily throw my lot in with Britain, Europe and North America!

Now, of course, the best release in recent times was the Fleischmann de Glehn compound.....

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QUOTE (ME 26-06 @ 11 Apr 2007, 19:05) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The posts have been deleted, but they were there on the class 52 thread started by Baykal, where I posted my class 42 pics. In essence, they were about how fugly German steamers were in their black and red livery, and plumbing on the boiler, and how much better British engines looked with their bright and colorful liveries and their sleek boiler lines with all the pipes underneath the shrouding. I then asked about the class Y2, and the model, but before I got an answer, these posts had been deleted. I don´t want to intimidate the person who posted it, but I do remember that name as well.
I must have missed that. Unfortunately there are a couple of idiots like that who pop up occaisionally. W all know who they are.
 

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If you want Ugly try this this DB class 50-40

I think its so Ugly that its briming with Corr I must have one of those.


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That variant of the class 50 goes beyond ugly, I think grotesque is nearer the mark.

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David,

that class 50 is one of a group of class 50 engines reconstructed with Franco-Crosti boilers. Apparently, they ran very well at the time, and were very good burners, however they came too late, as diesel transition was under way. After a prototype was built and tested, 30 more engines were rebuilt in 1958. They rode the rails until 1967.

Another project was reconstructing two class 52 according to the Italian Franco-Crosti principles. They became rather heavy, and were renumbered engine # 42 9000 and 42 9001.



A face only a mother can love.


Here it comes again, without wind deflectors (that´s what they looked like first) Note that the stack has been repositioned to the side, as the exhaust fumes were relocated through a boiler water pre-heater to increase the temperature of the boiler water, thus reducing the engines´ coal consumption. On the class 50.40, the "lower" boiler was used for this purpose.



EDIT: Oh right, Trix/Märklin make a model of the 42.90:



Weinert has the 50.40... veeeeery pricey!
 

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This is the one I am building at the moment.


It's a mixture of Fleischmann loco chassis and wheels/Merker and Fischer whitemetal-Brass superstructure and tender is Roco tender drive with Gunther whitemetal-Brass body/with extra detailing using Weinert parts.
I still have some way to go until its completed.
All the best,
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