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'Make Mine a Double' instituted a thread on railway posters to which I also contributed and which was concluded in November 2020.

This proved to be a popular posting, and as a New Year treat I've decided to institute a new thread based on old and new photos available on the Geograph website. Most of the old photos were taken by Dr. Ben Brooksbank from 1945 onwards; he had over 9,000 photos on this website taken up until shortly before his death two years ago, so there is plenty of subject matter! Dr Brooksbank was a well-travelled person as a medical researcher and covered much of the UK.

If anyone has old photos of railway subjects in England, Wales and Scotland and cares to post them in this thread, I'll try and match them to modern photo(s) on the Geograph site. Please note I'll only be posting once or twice a week.

Today's offerings are of Ashchurch in Gloucestershire, starting with Ben Brooksbank's first-ever railway photo (click on the photos to go to the larger originals):
Ashchurch Station, December 1945

© Copyright Ben Brooksbank and licensed for reuse under this Creative Commons Licence.

Ashchurch was the junction between the Midland Railway's line from Bromsgrove to Cheltenham and Gloucester, and it's own branches from Great Malvern and Evesham. Besides coming into the station, the branches were linked to each other in a direct connection over the main line on a level crossing just north of the station - note the signal on each side protecting the main line from trains using the link:
Ashchurch - Great Malvern railway

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The detailed caption to this photo has much information about these various branches.

From 1957:
Ashchurch Station, 1957

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From 1969:
Ashchurch station, northward from road bridge

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From 1989:
Site of Ashchurch station

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And in 1997:
New Ashchurch Station

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John
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A final look at York, particularly the old station site, the LNER Museum and the development of the NRM, but excluding the former goods shed.

Of the original station within the city wall, I can only find this picture of it during its final demolition:
Old York railway station

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The building behind with the interesting roofline is the LNER's HQ building - converted some time ago to a hotel:
Cedar Court Grand

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This photo shows the two arches cut in the city wall to allow the railway into the city station:
George Stephenson House

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Former railway museum, York

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Interior view (1958):
York Railway Museum (BR North Eastern Region), Interior

© Copyright Ben Brooksbank and licensed for reuse under this Creative Commons Licence.

From 1961:
York (North) Locomotive Depot, scene in Yard

© Copyright Ben Brooksbank and licensed for reuse under this Creative Commons Licence.

Sadly, the only interior view of the shed prior to conversion to the NRM is from 1970, and we only see diesels:
North York shed

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From August 1975, shortly before opening:
York Railway Museum

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Interior in April 1976, not long after opening:
National Railway Museum, York 1976: coaching stock

© Copyright Ben Brooksbank and licensed for reuse under this Creative Commons Licence.

Interior in 1988, before the main hall was rebuilt due to 'concrete cancer' in the original structure. There were still two turntables at that time:
D8000 in York railway museum

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After the rebuild:
York.

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John
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I only managed to get to the NRM once in 1989 which was our first trip back after emigrating in 1974. I love the architecture as in the Cedar Court Grand.
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A look around Worcester, first the loco depot in 1947:
Railway panorama from Rainbow Hill, Worcester

© Copyright Ben Brooksbank and licensed for reuse under this Creative Commons Licence.

In 1959:
Worcester Locomotive Depot.

© Copyright Ben Brooksbank and licensed for reuse under this Creative Commons Licence.

And in 1963:
Worcester Locomotive Depot, panorama from Tunnel Hill

© Copyright Ben Brooksbank and licensed for reuse under this Creative Commons Licence.

Worcester Shrub Hill station still has a good array of semaphore signals - from 1959:
'Down' Midland Parcels train entering Worcester (Shrub Hill) Station

© Copyright Ben Brooksbank and licensed for reuse under this Creative Commons Licence.

From 2011:
Worcester - semaphores at Shrub Hill

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John
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Thank you John. If I am honest, I would admit that I never knew that Worcester was anything like so busy. Come to think of it, I always wondered where a company in Worcester might have found Anchovies to be inspiration for a sauce... given it sits on a river...

Julian
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Prompted by the views of Worcester shed from last week, a few shots of other sheds:

From 1946:
Saltley Locomotive Depot: inside one of the three roundhouses

© Copyright Ben Brooksbank and licensed for reuse under this Creative Commons Licence.

Saltley Locomotive Depot, 1948: elevated view of ash-plant

© Copyright Walter Dendy, deceased and
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The shed is long gone - it seems road transport has taken over the area it was on:
TNT Depot

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Over to Wales, in 1946:
Danygraig Locomotive Depot, with ex-Powlesland & Mason dock tank

© Copyright Ben Brooksbank and licensed for reuse under this Creative Commons Licence.

The same area from 2006 - clearly the same building:
Gower Chemicals

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And up to Yorkshire in 1949 at Sheffield:
Darnall Locomotive Depot

© Copyright Ben Brooksbank and licensed for reuse under this Creative Commons Licence.

The engine shed was to the south side of the railway main line and is seen here from the west. It's possible that the building in the distance on the left, beyond the coaling tower, is the one visible to the left in the next picture, taken in 2011, looking towards the west:
Train approaching Darnall Station

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John
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A look at several aspects of Shrewsbury.

We start with a picture from 1957:
Stopping train from Chester entering Shrewsbury

© Copyright Ben Brooksbank and licensed for reuse under this Creative Commons Licence.

Three years later:
7818 'Granville Manor' on the Cambrian Coast Express at Shrewsbury, 1960

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And in 1962:
Stanier 'Princess Coronation' Pacific at Shrewsbury

© Copyright Ben Brooksbank and licensed for reuse under this Creative Commons Licence.

(Shrewsbury was the junction for a number of lines both GWR and joint with other railways - hence the wide spread of locos.)

From 1965 - a DMU now visible indicating the new order of things:
Stopping train at Shrewsbury Station

© Copyright Ben Brooksbank and licensed for reuse under this Creative Commons Licence.

Some 20 years later:
Freight Train, Shrewsbury Station, 1985

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and passenger:
Class 47 Entering Shrewsbury, 1985

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Behind the train is the huge 'Seven Bridge Junction' signal box, now thought to be the largest mechanical box, at least in Europe.

This is the earliest photo of the exterior of the station:
Shrewsbury station, 1990

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On to 1998:
Class 153 at Shrewsbury, 1998

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A view from 2008:
Signal off for Wrexham

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Unusual mix of trad semaphore and colour light signals.

There were several other stations in Shrewsbury, the oddest of which was the terminus of the Shropshire and Montgomeryshire Light Railway. It had its terminus built on the site of what had been the Abbey's Refectory - views of the station remains:
Abbey Rail Station

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Shrewsbury Abbey railway station (site)

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I'm looking at a smaller junction station today - Keighley in West Yorkshire, with the attraction of the preserved K&WVR as well as the former Midland Main Line from Leeds to Skipton and beyond. Curiously this seems to be one station Dr Brooksbank missed out on! The Worth Valley branch had closed to passengers on the 30th December 1961. The Preservation Society was formed in March 1962, and it was they who organised the last special BR train on the branch in June 1962. There were considerable and lengthy negotiations between the Society and BR, and eventually they were able to start running trains in 1968.

Approaching the station in 1968 on one of the early K&WVR trains:
Keighley, from a K&WVR train, 1968

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And in 1972:
Keighley Station 1972

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The earliest photo of the main line platforms available on the Geograph website is this one from 1984:
Keighley station

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'First generation' DMUs were still in use at this time, and they continued in use for some years with changes in livery. From 1992:
Keighley station

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Eventually the Main Line was electrified as far as Skipton, and here is a view from 2003:
Keighley station

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Back to the Preservation Society's side of the station. This turntable was installed in 1989 and was formerly at Garsdale:
Railway Turntable

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This signal box was previously at Esholt Junction:
Keighley Station

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Curiously the signal box diagram for Esholt Junction is now on display at St Albans South box! The K&WVR protect all their signal box windows with roller shutters when not un use due to their urban location, hence the appearance of this box.

The K&WVR Platform 4 is full of delightful detail - from 2008:
Platform clock, Keighley station

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A more general view from 2013:
Keighley railway station, K & WVR platforms

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Since the above two photos were taken the whole canopy has undergone a major restoration - unfortunately there's no photo showing the end result. The K&WVR hope eventually to restore a canopy to their platform 3 as well.

Can't keep away from signal boxes:
Disused Signal Box

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This box was removed to Irlam Station in 2019 where it was restored and now forms part of a signalling-related museum alongside the refurbished station building. Regret there is as yet no photo of it in the new location.

John
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Interesting John, but what a shame they had to go to the expense of shutters to protect the windows of the Keighley signal box and then there's the ratbags nicking lead? from the other one. The work that's gone in to all that is a credit to all involved.
QUOTE (hoonsou @ 29 Mar 2021, 23:00) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Interesting John, but what a shame they had to go to the expense of shutters to protect the windows of the Keighley signal box and then there's the ratbags nicking lead? from the other one. The work that's gone in to all that is a credit to all involved.
The lead was nicked some while ago from the Keighley box despite it being in an NR compound; the lead wasn't part of the original MR design, by the way! The small K&WVR buildings at Damems station are likewise protected by shutters as is the isolated box at the passing loop south of Damems.

At St Albans South we had to bear in mind that every one of the 144 panes had been smashed while our box lay derelict. Thus we were concerned that we might suffer after reopening and have to resort to shutters as well. But since restoring the box in 2008 we've had just two broken windows; one probably due to vandalism with a catapult or air weapon, the other from ballast thrown up from a regrettable 'one under'. We use laminated glass in our windows - not obvious, and has the property of being the same thickness as the original Midland Railway glass, so maintaining the appearance. We have the advantage of being next to both the station (the Keighley box was the other side of a road bridge) and four busy railway tracks as well, so hopefully we'll remain without the need for shutters.
St Albans South signal box museum

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Regards,
John
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Please excuse my ignorance, but what's a 'one under'? Fingers crossed for the rest of them.
QUOTE (hoonsou @ 30 Mar 2021, 21:49) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Please excuse my ignorance, but what's a 'one under'? Fingers crossed for the rest of them.
Have sent you a PM to explain.
John
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Let's have a look at another early preserved railway - in this case the 'Bluebell Line' at Sheffield Park. First image from Ben Brooksbank:
Bluebell Railway train at Sheffield Park in 1961

© Copyright Ben Brooksbank and licensed for reuse under this Creative Commons Licence.

A view of the station buildings:
Sheffield Park station in early days of Bluebell Railway

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From 1963:
Steaming North

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Aveling-Porter 2-2-0T at Sheffield Park, Bluebell Railway, 1964

© Copyright Ben Brooksbank and licensed for reuse under this Creative Commons Licence.

Sheffield Park Station, 1975

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From 1985:
Costumed school outing at Sheffield Park Railway Station

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From 1998:
Sheffield Park Railway Station

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From 2005:
Passing Trains

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Appears to be the LNER Dynometer car, although the photographer makes no mention of it.

One of the newer buildings that has been erected here:
Sheffield Park engine shed Bluebell Railway

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From 2011 - another new build:
Bluebell Railway: new carriage shed at Sheffield Park

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Finally, from 2018, a view roughly similar to the first photo:
Sheffield Park Station

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John
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Thanks for posting all those photo's John.
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Decided to look at a spot where I did quite a bit of trainspotting in my youth - the 'Great Eastern' main line from Liverpool Street to the east as it passes through Stratford.
We start off with one of Ben Brooksbank's delightful pictures from 1948 - ten years before I started trainspotting here:
Stratford: typical scene with a Goods and an empty stock train

© Copyright Ben Brooksbank and licensed for reuse under this Creative Commons Licence.

Up Express, also in 1948:
Up 'East Anglian' passing Stratford, 1948

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From 1955:
Up Southend train passing Stratford Station

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From 1958:
The Down 'Broadsman' passes Stratford Station

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I'm not one of the three lads visible in the photo - I preferred the Down Electric platform for various reasons - that's the one behind the train.

From 1959, one of several short goods trains Ben Brooksbank photographed:
Trip goods coming off the line from Temple Mills at Stratford Station

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Smoke of a different sort from 1980:
Stratford Station

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A Central line train in 1987:
The Central Line at Stratford

© Copyright Dr Neil Clifton and licensed for reuse under this Creative Commons Licence.

Also from 1987, an early Docklands Light Railway:
The Docklands Light Railway at Stratford

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One of the very few views of the local electric trains:
Stratford.

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A view of newer trains:
Stratford main line Station, 1998

© Copyright Ben Brooksbank and licensed for reuse under this Creative Commons Licence.

By 2008 the number of lines at Stratford had been reduced:
Stratford Regional Station in transformation, 2008

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The construction works visible in the photo above were the start of major works for the 2012 Olympics, which included major changes to the station as well:
Norwich train entering Stratford Station

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It's interesting that there are virtually no pictures of main line trains once the steam locos departed!

John
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Thanks for posting those photo's. I particularly liked the the 'Down Broadsman' with kids train spotting right beside the track. All very nostalgic even though I had no interest in those days of my youth in south London.
QUOTE (hoonsou @ 12 Apr 2021, 23:34) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Thanks for posting those photo's. I particularly liked the the 'Down Broadsman' with kids train spotting right beside the track. All very nostalgic even though I had no interest in those days of my youth in south London.
The kids are on the end ramp visible to the right of the 1980 photo. I too am from S London (SE to be precise) - with all the electrics about the trainspotting seemed to be rather dull. Exception was my secondary school which backed onto the New Cross-St John's line near to the latter station, so we had a good view of the Mid-Kent line traffic with all the long-distance trains hauled by Schools and West Country/BB pacifics plus various goods trains. Ruined my maths lessons!

John
We had goods yard off of Gauden Rd Clapham where I could hear wagons being shunted at night with steam loco's, but of course I couldn't see them. Apart from that, nothing but electrics, so no interest at that time.
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Today's offering is at Cholsey, on the GWR main line; there was a branch to Wallingford which was closed in 1959, but retained for goods traffic until 1981 and then taken over by a Preservation Society. So an interesting collection of possibilities.

We start with one of Ben Brooksbank's photos - from 1959 so presumably one of the last trains to run:
Wallingford branch auto-train at Cholsey & Moulsford Station

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In 1968 the Great Western Society ran trains on the branch - here it is approaching Cholsey station:
Auto-train on the Wallingford branch (3) - 1968

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The first Preservation Society train ran in 1985 from a temporary Wallingford platform, in 1988 the first train leaves the new Wallingford station and 1994 the first preserved train entered the Cholsey Bay platform. At that time the trains were 'topped and tailed' as there was no run-round loop available. That has now been installed.

Curiously this photo is dated 1991:
A steam train arrives at Cholsey Railway Station

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So I wonder if this was a one-off?

The station building is interesting - at platform level we have, from 2008:
Missing from Platform 3

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On platform 2:
Platform 2

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Note the canopy is missing.

The station entrance - the railway is running on an embankment, hence the two stories to the building:
Welcome to Cholsey

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An interesting contrast from 2009:
New and old

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Steam hasn't completely left the main line - taken in 2009 as well:
Flying through the station

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A smaller loco on the branch:
Going to the front

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More recently the main line has been electrified - in the early stages in 2016:
Pylon on the Station

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Four months after the above picture:
Waiting on the Platform

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October 2017 - a new express electric train:
On its way

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And one of the new local electrics:
Leaving the station

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John
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Some delays this past weekend due to Internet and other problems. Will be posting something as soon as I can!

John
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Sorry there was nothing last weekend - things kept needing my attention!
Different tack this time - I'm taking a look at the remains of the Richmond (North Yorkshire) branch. This was opened in 1846 and closed in March 1969.

Attached to this branch was the Catterick Camp Military Railway, which branched off at Catterick - the Camp was sent up in WW1, the location possibly being suggested by Lord Baden Powell. The line was built from 1914 onwards and after aiding the building of the camp was used to transport men into and out of the camp. The Camp line closed in February 1970, so not long after the Richmond branch closed. Both lines were rapidly demolished and this was achieved by late 1970.

The Richmond branch started from the East Coast main line at Dalton Junction, renamed Eryholme Junction in 1901. This was a desolate place:
Main Line : from Cowper House Bridge

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The station and junction were in the distance, just beyond the far end of the train.

About a mile away was this location:
Road heading north west, Dalton Gates

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The slight 'hump' in the middle distance is where the branch crossed this minor road by a level crossing, hence the 'Gates'.

Not much further west is this stretch of trackbed still in existence:
Richmond Branch Line Trackbed, North Cowton

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Moulton station was the first on the branch after the junction:
Moulton railway station (site)

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More about this station (and the branch) at http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/m/moulton/index.shtml

The next station was near Scorton:
Former Station House, Scorton

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Ben Brooksbank got the station building at Catterick Bridge in 1988:
Catterick Bridge station (remains), 1988

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But there is now nothing left of the former station:
Catterick Bridge railway station (site), Yorkshire

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The cottage to the right is one of several railway cottages that do still survive. More pictures of the station at http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/c/catte...dge/index.shtml

The Military Railway had Brompton Road station - having branched off the Richmond branch after the Catterick Bridge Station but with a junction that faced away from that station:
Brompton Road 2nd railway station (site), Yorkshire

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One of the very few remains of the Military Railway:
Catterick Bridge

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Now used for carrying utilities across the river.

About halfway between Catterick Bridge and Richmond is this rather attractive crossing keeper's house:
Railway House

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Just before Richmond the railway crossed the Swale; it now finds use as part of a town-related walk:
Former railway bridge over the River Swale

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We arrive in Richmond - some views of the station.
Richmond (Yorkshire) railway station (site)

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Former railway station, Richmond

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Curiously the oldest internal views of the station on the Geograph website are my own from 2005!
Richmond Station in 2005 (1)

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Richmond Station in 2005 (2)

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As it is after refurbishment:
The restaurant and café-bar inside The Station

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Beyond the cafe are several small craft businesses, including a micro-brewery.

Several other ex-railway buildings survive, although the only view I can give you is this one:
The River Swale

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The roof of the former engine shed is visible on the right centre of the photo; it is now used as offices.

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