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Hi

Just started a new layout in a new shed

Sky Window Building Tree House


It will be a medium size terminus station with 5/6 platforms, goods yard and engine shed. I have built a lower storage area and reversing loop.

Hood Wood Tire Automotive exterior Floor


The gradient will be 1:50 using dcc concepts powerbase to allow up to 7 coach trains

The line will circle the room before arriving at the terminus. I will be testing as I go with my smallest loco a Bachmann Jinty and the poorest running one a Hornby Duchess.

Any comments are more than welcome

Derek

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Hi and thanks for the comments.

It will be more like a complete rip out and start again. You always seem to learn someting new and what mistakes to avoid in the future, like putting uncoupling magnets in the station where you can't see exactly where they are. One of a long list.

Derek
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Shock and Horror rip it out! All that work it looks fantastic. But if your not happy with the running of it I can see the frustration . So many modellers seem to get to this point for one reason or another. A little while ago I was looking whether to have two levels or one you advised avoiding inclines if I could. So it's not a complete shock but a shame still but on the other hand if you like building then maybe not so much a shame. You will be able to use the track ect and the scratch buildings again won't you ? Sorry to see it go though good luck with the new build . Jim
Hi Jim

I don't see any problem saving the buildings, they are only lightly tacked down. All the track is held in place with water soluble glue. A small amount of water and it lifts quite easily. Any rebuild will have to compromise what I want and what is possible. In the last few years the amont of time I can spent on my knees at a time is greatly reduced.

At the start, I said I would include warts and all.
When the layout was built I tried to keep the gradients to 1 in 60, but on the way down to the storage yard I reduced it to 1 in 30. What could possibly go wrong down the slope. Well quite a bit, with a curve at the bottom any hesitation by the loco and the weight of the stock behind it will make a bogie jump the curve. Putting a cant on the track improved this, but then cause a problem as the loco's were not level when they reached the first set of points. I eventually managed a compromise after filming what was happening a dozen times, but trains have to enter the yard at a very slow speed.
This is all in a very confined area.

Just to give you an idea of the space I have filmed the bit you don't normally see on a layout. The quality is a bit poor becase of the light. but it does show some of the problems of access.




The wiring started off quite neat, and has not cause any trouble but adding lighting and modifications have made a bit of a rats nest of it. Of all the point motors and there are lots of them, only 1 is a problem, every now and then it forgets what it is and I have to address it again. There is one I caught with a jigsaw and cut through the outer casing, it works perfectly.
I have used Kadee coupling for a long time, this was the first time I have used under board magnets. They seem more powerful and cause many unintentional uncouplings especially on stock with steel axals. A problem I have not had with the surface mounted ones.

On a brighter note. The rebuld will have the main terminus in the middle of the room and I will make the boards a little narrower, to ease access. I hope to find some back scenes that are suitable, something I have regretted not doing from the start. Any idea's on suitable ones for the late 1950's townscape will be helpful. It proved impossible the fit them once I made the boards so wide and started adding fragile details. There will be more town and less landscape, so lots of chances to make more buildings.

As with most people I have more stock, than is nessesay, so some carriage sidings and a goods yard away from the terminus will be provides somewhere around the outside. Much to look forward to..

3 Months of planning before I do anything. So if anyone is in the area (Littlehampton not far from Gaugemaster) and you fancy some tea and biscuits. Any one over 4 years old is allowed to operate the layout. Sent me a message and we will arrange something. I am happy to meet you at Angmering station if you are coming by train.

All for now

Derek
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Hi Derek That view is amazing from the point of view of the amount of work that you have put into it all it . I can see why you would have difficulty in accessing things underneath . I am nearing retirement and have a physical job which keeps me reasonably fit but the last couple of years I find aches and pains and when kneeling is fine till I have to get back up . I am considering carrying on for a couple of years part time rather than just stop working. Planning my layout I am trying to get things right so I'm looking and listening to those like you so maybe I can reduce the amount of mistakes I make though I'm sure I will. One reason for building a shed rather than use a loft is the years to come when climbing a ladder through a loft hatch becomes a dodgy prospect . You know Peco do town backscenes I can't remember where I have seen this but one guy using them cut some of the near buildings out and mounted them on card then replaced them giving some depth to whole thing. I don't know if thats any help but might be worth some experimentation . Jim
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Well I got sucked into a special offer from Hattons and brought a midland resurant car...

I knew it was on older model, but surely it should be in the railroad range. Large D couplings, plastic wheels and it rides about 2mm too high. Still gives me someting to do..

Train Vehicle Rolling stock Track Mode of transport


If anyone has modified one of these I would appreciate any suggestions. Fitting Kadee couplings should be fun..

Derek
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Never one of these, but a good many old Hornby mk1s. Dismantle coach. cut down the bogie pivots by 2mm to correct height if staying with 12mm diameter coach wheels, by 3mm if planning to use 14mm coach wheels. Cut clearance for the tops of the wheels in the underside of the coach floor. Reassemble, add the missing pieces of solebar if layout curves permit. I'd body mount the Kadees, modify the buffers to 'retracted' if they protrude beyond the gangways
Thanks for the advice..

The bogies is where I will start, there is an lot of play in the pivot and they slop about all over the place. I have a Gesley full brake with the same amount of play which I cannot get round the layout with out falling off a cuve or gradient. Time to find where I have put and do it at the same time. I will then work out which wheels to fit.

Thanks again
Derek
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First I measured the wheels with a vernier gauge, 13.7mm. I replaced them with Slaters 12.7 mm ones, following that I filed 1mm off the bogie pivots the coach is now 1.5mm lower. I cannot take any more off the pivots without running into problems with wheels hitting the sole bar on the curves.

Train Plant Sky Tree Rolling stock


Here it is with a Bachmann mk1 on the right and a porthole coach on the left. It is still a fraction high, but looks ok with the mk1 from the normal viewing distance

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More obvious close up.

Train Rolling stock Vehicle Electricity Window


Still not right against the porthole coach.

Look like it it will run in a rake of mk1's. I will test it around the layout later today.

Still not tackled the sloppy bogies on the Gresley full brake. I will have to work out how to replace the pivot with some sort of nut and bolt.

All for now

Derek

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Hi

First I measured the wheels with a vernier gauge, 13.7mm. I replaced them with Slaters 12.7 mm ones, following that I filed 1mm off the bogie pivots the coach is now 1.5mm lower. I cannot take any more off the pivots without running into problems with wheels hitting the sole bar on the curves.

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Here it is with a Bachmann mk1 on the right and a porthole coach on the left. It is still a fraction high, but looks ok with the mk1 from the normal viewing distance

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More obvious close up.

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Still not right against the porthole coach.

Look like it it will run in a rake of mk1's. I will test it around the layout later today.

Still not tackled the sloppy bogies on the Gresley full brake. I will have to work out how to replace the pivot with some sort of nut and bolt.

All for now

Derek
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It's been a while since I posted , but I always pop on the site regularly.

Well the layout is still here, and I hav'nt decided on it's replacement yet. In the mean time a new loco has appeared, the Hornby 9F.

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It's dimensions are slightly different from the Bachmann one behind it, I don't know which is correct.

It has been weathered byTMC and I have added Youchose sound. easy enough to do, I removed the speaker holder in the tender (only held in place by double sided tape) which allowed a speaker 3 time as large. The tricky bit is adding working lamps. Why use a 21 pin decoder when there are only connections for a speaker, seems daft to me. I soldered the wires to the base of the relavent pins and theaded the wire through the loco, filing a small slot for the wires at the front of the chassis.

Anyway here is a video of it in action

Derek
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... Hornby 9F. It's dimensions are slightly different from the Bachmann one behind it, I don't know which is correct...
That's entirely as it should be. Steam locos were handbuilt, and what didn't require high precision, such as overall frame length, didn't get it.
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Still have not been able to settle on a new track plan to rebuild the layout so it remain much as it was. I have traded in three loco's and replaced them with more appropriate ones.
Train Vehicle Wheel Rolling stock Sky


The new heljan class 45 from TMC, a Bachmann class 24/1 and a second hand unrebuilt Bachmann Patriot.

The class 45's haulage capacity is very impressive. The only new loco's I am waiting for this year are the Hornby Black Five and Heljan's class 104 DMU if they ever appear.

In the meantime here are a few more shots around the layout and a video of the class 45.

Class 24/1 on a local service

Train Building Window Rolling stock Sky


2MT tank leaving the branch terminus.

Train Vehicle Rolling stock Sky Track



Class 25 on a friegh service

Sky Train Window Rolling stock Building


Patriot Royal Signals relagated to fright service.

Train Plant Sky Vehicle Building


4MT waiting to depart the goods yard with a mixed frieght.

Train Building Rolling stock Vehicle Track


Fairburn tank wait ti depart with an empty banna vans.

Train Building Sky Vehicle Rolling stock



and finally the class 45 video.



All for now Derek
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That's a convincingingly lumbering lump of Peakness Heljan have achieved there. Perhaps I'll take a look at one - Gateshead had an allocation and they would appear at KX occasionally - 'interesting' noises could be heard between the tunnel mouth and the platforms while passing over the small radii in some of the pointwork. As you observe, never any trouble with traction from Heljan's twin bogie products: I have accumulated eight, and all of them rock solid performers from day 1 to present.

While here I went for a most enjoyable revisit of your 'unseen bits of Thornton' video. :D I reckon London Underground's wiring is a lot messier than yours, and there's an army of trained maintenance staff working on that...
Along time ago,when I was an apprentice in the S&T on British Rail, my chief lineman would have taken one look at the wiring and cut every single wire, saying do it again properly.

Derek
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Indeed, it's a very different matter when the job has to comply with standards so that any trained technician knows exactly what's what, and can make immediate progress, despite the dark and with rain or snow piling down.
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