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I have some three rail Hornby items that will no longer be used on my DCC set up.

these are circa 1956 to 1959.

EDL20 Bristol Castle in original box. Engine still runs and is in good condition.

O-6-2 tank engine running with original box in good condition

Set of WR coaches, 1st/2nd 2nd/brake and Resturant. Two with original boxes good conditin.

TPO set in with Western seral number. Contains Coach in v-good condition, three rail track, with the pick up arm (some surface rust on arm) collection basket, and attendents hut (shows some rust spots. two original mail bags and operating button. Box in v good condition. Date on box 14 April 1959

Any ideas where to go?
 

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QUOTE (railstimulator @ 27 May 2008, 14:44) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Any ideas where to go?
You can always try eBay - if you do, monitor other sellers with the same items to give you an idea of the prices reached, but don't put your items on if there are already a load on or have been just recently.

Vectis apparently can get very good prices for top end items.
 

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Hi there from Dublo Collector - The value of the coaches will depend if they are the shorter versions in tinplate, or the later super detail items with plastic corridor ends. A boxed Bristol Castle can bring up to $300 depending on condition of the loco and box, the coaches usually about $25 each. The 0-6-2 Tank Loco again will depend on which version, if it is the common BR version, probably about $80-100, if it is #3217 with Nickel Plated driving wheels, plastic couplings and has Coal in the bunker it could be worth three times as much. Hope this info helps, if you are intending using eBay, do it before the end of next month, Oztion could be an alternative. Regards, John
 

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Three rail doesn't seem so popular and a lot of three rail locos are on e bay. Have a look and the prices are not very high (about 50 euro and sometimes little more or less). I have been tinkering with fixing a few hornby dublo and ended up buying (but very cheaply) some three rail chassis on e bay. I am trying to reselling them at the moment as spares. I am more interested in rebuildina couple of two rail hornby dublo. They are a bit pedestrian but very well built with a horseshoe type motor (an armature spinning in a horseshoe shaped magnetic field), making for an interestng style of motor construction.

The three rail system seems quite interesting and was (it would seem) an early way of running two locos on the same track. Presumably the centre rail was a pickup and the outer rals could be two returns so allowing two voltages. Anybody know any more about them. I'm sure there must be a few three rail enthusiasts out there

 

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QUOTE (Basil @ 19 Jul 2008, 20:53) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The three rail system seems quite interesting and was (it would seem) an early way of running two locos on the same track. Presumably the centre rail was a pickup and the outer rals could be two returns so allowing two voltages. Anybody know any more about them. I'm sure there must be a few three rail enthusiasts out there


Not possible with the tinplate track at all, I think Trix (as in TTR) did a system that had the possibilities of multiple running, doubled with the use of catenary (could be wrong on the last though) - someone else with a better memory than mine may know.........
 

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Fleischmann did use the catenary wire to control electric loco's on a separate controller. I have converted a few of these to DCC ,interestingly the motors are wired in reverse to the other loco's (+ve as the ground) and wheels are insulated from the track to the motor body to enable separate control
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TTR (or Trix Twin Railway) made a lot of its sytem which used 3 rails all isolated from each other to control 2 trains independantly. The centre was a common return and you then had to select which outside rail to use for each loco. System worked well and certainly when I was a kid (50-60 years ago) the Trix system was viewed as rather more up-market than the Hornby system
 

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QUOTE (custodian @ 25 Jul 2008, 12:09) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>certainly when I was a kid (50-60 years ago) the Trix system was viewed as rather more up-market than the Hornby system

It's strange but these days there seems to be little demand for the Trix twin system from collectors. whereas the HD 3 rail items can fetch very good money - for the right items. An axample I saw recently was the Acho USA tank for £140.00.

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As has already been said in this thread, the Hornby Dublo running rails were not insulated from each other and so you could only run one train at a time. It was also impossible as the Dublo loco wheelsets did not have insulating bushes on one side. This also applied to the Dublo passenger coaches and goods wagons at least up to the time that Dublo launched their 2 rail system. So you couldn't use the Dublo items on a Trix layout even though they both used the same style coupling, the Peco simplex.

In the Trix three rail system, the running rails were insulated from each other and so could run two trains indendently on the same track, both using the centre rail as the common return. That dates back to its inception in the 1930s, that's why it was called Trix Twin, i.e. two train under independent control on one track.

You could run two train independently on Triang if you had their catenary system.

Trix went one better as with their EM1 locos and catenary system you could run 3 trains independently on one track.

Despite launching their version of the AL1/Class 81, Hornby Dublo never launched their own catenary system, so you could never run two trains independently on any Dublo only layout. Indeed Michael Foster's book on Dublo shows a publicity photo of their AL1 on a layout equipped with the Triang catenary! After Triang bought Meccano in 1964 they dropped their own plans to make one of the early AC electrics themselves, (it was described as an AL1 but looked more like an AL2), and modified the tool for the ex-Dublo AL1 and relaunched it as a Triang-Hornby model. The Triang Class 81 was dropped from the range in 1971 and the name Triang also disappeared in 1971 after its parent company, Lines Bros, went broke, becoming the Hornby Railways we have today. Thus the Class 81 was denied the chance to have started and ended its life as a "Hornby" model.

I'm surprised at the comment that Trix was sometimes seen as more upmarket than Dublo. Trix was originally imported into England from Germany by Bassett Lowke and sold as the Bassett Lowke Twin Train Railway. Perhaps it inherited some of the kudos of the Bassett Lowke O gauge range. I think Trix was also more expensive than Dublo whic was itself more expensive than Triang. The Pre and Post war Trix 0-4-0 tender locos were hardly prototypical even though they do have a charm of their own, very like the Hornby O gauge 0-4-0 tender locos of the 1920s and 30s. Also once Trix started making models that were more prototypically correct, the models were to 3.8mm scale, too big for HO, too small for OO. They only moved to 4mm scale a few years before their demise.

The price you get for secondhand/pre-owned/vintage model railway kit depends very much on what you're after, as rarity increases market values significantly, and the number of people who are interested. If you want premium prices look at Dublo AL1s and their Watford line Class 501 EMUs (OK so they wer painted green to look like SR), Trix EM1s, and Triang EM2s and AL1s, and most Wrenn items, particularly their Brighton Belle EMU motor car sets and matching carriages.

Keith.
 
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