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From a theme developing elsewhere there is a growing recognition that there are two distinct classes of DCC.

Those traditional train set manufacturers such as Hornby, Bachmann, Marklin, Fleischmann and Roco and maybe others all offer starter systems based around the principle of a "Track Bus" with accessories designed with this principle in mind. Now having seen the size of some of the demo layouts of these manufacturers it could be argued that "Track Bus" arrangements can be accomodated within what could be considered to be large layouts by many.

Traditional DCC only manufacturers offer systems based around "Wired Bus" arrangements with accessories designed with this principle in mind. Because these systems do involve the use of wiring they are not seen as "plug and play" by beginners and clearly require the use of a solid baseboard foundation to support the principle of using a seperate wiring loom with junctions running to the track to transmit the messages and power around the layout.

Having recognised that there are two distinct methods "Track Bus Digital" and "Wired Bus Digital" is there not a case for splitting the DCC forum into two so that those who use track bus arrangements can keep their discussion seperate from those who use the wired bus arrangements?


We can broadly accept that wired bus arrangements can have advantages however the flexibility that track bus arrangements offer may outweight these advantages for those who like the flexibility of creating layouts which are less permanent and who still wish to use digital control.

My thoughts are that by having a seperate area for "Track Bus" systems this will encourage those who want to keep things simple to give digital control a go and participate more openly within the forum.

Am I right or wrong with this?


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Gary
 

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Good points Gary.

The "track bus" arrangement will be quite sufficient for a lot a people, certainly the people with smaller layouts provided that the track connections throughout are sound, as they should be for DC analogue operation anyway. It's only when the layout starts to grow it may be preferable to convert to "wired bus".

My advice would be to "suck it & see" - if you start getting problems like runaways or such (especially at the ends furthest away from the controller) then you may have to convert to a "wired bus". For example you could have 2 "identical" layouts approx 8 x 4 with one person operating 5 steam outline locos & mostly goods stock & no point control via DCC who will probably be fine with "track bus" - the next person is operating 5 diesel locos with sound/lights & mostly passenger all with lights & point control via DCC ! Two extremes but the second one will probably need a "wired bus". There is a very easy way to test your wiring integrety - if anyone is interested I'll post it.

There is no difference between any of the DCC systems offered - the principles are exactly the same - you could operate a layout with a track length 100m away from the control point with a Select if you used a "wired bus", likewise you could operate a 3' long depot layout with a Lenz LH100 using a "track bus".

Personally, I would not be in favour of splitting DCC into two "bus" forums, as a long term DCC user I find that most of the problems/issues are not "bus type" based, although a "beginers/entry level" forum may not be a bad thing. Personally, I would still try to offer advice where I think it could be useful or welcome.

Both right & wrong IMHO - lets all see if we can discuss this issue - I'm sure there is a lot of useful input out there. Maybe something for Doug to consider over Christmas.

Talking of which everyone have a great Christmas & an even better 2007.
 

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QUOTE Having recognised that there are two distinct methods "Track Bus Digital" and "Wired Bus Digital" is there not a case for splitting the DCC forum into two so that those who use track bus arrangements can keep their discussion seperate from those who use the wired bus arrangements?

We can broadly accept that wired bus arrangements can have advantages however the flexibility that track bus arrangements offer may outweight these advantages for those who like the flexibility of creating layouts which are less permanent and who still wish to use digital control.

My thoughts are that by having a seperate area for "Track Bus" systems this will encourage those who want to keep things simple to give digital control a go and participate more openly within the forum.

QUOTE Personally, I would not be in favour of splitting DCC into two "bus" forums, as a long term DCC user I find that most of the problems/issues are not "bus type" based, although a "beginers/entry level" forum may not be a bad thing. Personally, I would still try to offer advice where I think it could be useful or welcome. I would agree with this too. I think beginner and DCC proficient would be better than using the bus type to differentiate. This way heated debates could be avoided by the different perpectives. Roco and Fleischmann DCC is quite a bit more advanced than the Hornby Bachmann systems and people using them are more likely to be in the DCC proficient category.
 

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Nice thought, but then you might as well have said lets have a beginners forum. Sensibly you need to integrate new users to both the forum and DCC. Most of the members of this forum have amply demonstrated that they have both patience and the knowledge to assist new comers with good advise.
On that note a happy Christmas to all on the forum.
 
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