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Hello

I am wondering if anyone can help me out on a query. I recently was lucky enough to purchase a Triang Hornby RS90 pullman express set , just 39 years after first receiving one as a Christmas present.

Back in 1969 my set featured the GWR version of the Albert Hall loco, but this newly aquired set has a BR liveried loco. I understood that as the set was only available for one year (ie 1969) that the loco supplied would have been the GWR one. I fully understand that any loco could have been substituted in the intervening years but as this new set is so original (the track and stock are genuinely unused) I dont think this has occured.

So in summary, could set RS90 have appeared in 1969 with either a GWR or a BR loco and which of the two would be more sought after.

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It's not often I can answer queries on old Triang Hornby stuff but I just happen to have catalogues 13 to 20 as I have never disposed of them.

The set you mention RS90 appears in edition 15 on page 4. The description is as follows:-

"Pullman Express Train Set. Contains "Albert Hall" Express Locomotive, three Pullman coaches and Large Oval of track complete with level crossing and automatic uncoupler".

The image shows the locomotive with a BR late totem on the tender.

The set does not appear in editions 14 or 16.

"Albert Hall" in BR green is also available separately as R579. It also appears in pictures on page 22 - in the through station R5083; page 24-25 "signals and bridges" and page 25 on the turntable (wish the current model was like this one
) In all cases the loco is BR green.

Edition 14 (the previous year) has "Albert Hall" as R579 in BR green and features in the overall photo of the steam locomotives available.

Edition 16 has "Albert Hall" as R759G in Great Western livery. 3 additional names are included in the box. The catalogue says the loco will consume 350mA and mine has a price of 82/6 (£4 - 13 to anyone under 38 and it looks like they were keeping the 1/2 too!)

Edition 16 also introduced System 6 track.

So you are correct about the set only being available for a year. My catalogue shows the loco being in BR livery. The following catalogue shows the locomotive has changed to GWR.

The most likely explanation for the difference is that your original set was a "late" one by which time supplies of the BR liveried loco had dried up to be replaced by the GWR version.

No doubt someone with one of the Rovex history books will have a fuller explanation.

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Thanks David superb info.
But it now gives me a dilema, do I keep this set as it is , or do I replace the BR loco with a GWR one for the sake of nostalgia. Although I have to say that it is a nice problem to have to deal with !!
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Pat Hammond's book "he Story of Rovex Volume 2 1965-1971 says that it was made in both 68 and 69 with 8,700 made in '68 ans 6,000 in '69. The loco is R759 which is the BR version. Apparently surplus box lids at the end of the run were relabelled for use with the RS604 Night Mail set. The track should all be Super 4, i.e the ****** stuff with the fishplates on the right hand rail.

Pat's 3 books are generally reckoned to be the authority on Rovex. He lists teh contents as "BR Albert Hall R759, three Pullman cars, level crossing, R487 Power connecting clip and oval of Super 4 track. He doesn't mention if ther ewere occasions when the GWR version was used if the BR one wasn't available. Of course, substitution could occur, for R759 (BR livery) with R759G GWR Livery, but I think if that had happened he would have said so. Triang generally sold you want was "on the tin" and didn't indulge in late substitutions. As the market leader at the time they probably had al the items they needed in stock or made them to order and so subs would be unnecessary.

So if your original set had the GWR version, than that would have been the unusual one.

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QUOTE (GoingUnderground @ 19 Dec 2008, 21:22) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Pat Hammond's book "he Story of Rovex Volume 2 1965-1971 says that it was made in both 68 and 69 with 8,700 made in '68 ans 6,000 in '69. The loco is R759 which is the BR version. Apparently surplus box lids at the end of the run were relabelled for use with the RS604 Night Mail set. The track should all be Super 4, i.e the ****** stuff with the fishplates on the right hand rail.

Pat's 3 books are generally reckoned to be the authority on Rovex. He lists teh contents as "BR Albert Hall R759, three Pullman cars, level crossing, R487 Power connecting clip and oval of Super 4 track. He doesn't mention if ther ewere occasions when the GWR version was used if the BR one wasn't available. Of course, substitution could occur, for R759 (BR livery) with R759G GWR Livery, but I think if that had happened he would have said so. Triang generally sold you want was "on the tin" and didn't indulge in late substitutions. As the market leader at the time they probably had al the items they needed in stock or made them to order and so subs would be unnecessary.

So if your original set had the GWR version, than that would have been the unusual one.

Keith

OO er , I actually hadn't thought about it that way round! So the GWR set may have been the exception ! Given that and the apparent unused condition of the BR hall I cant see me running that one so I think I will definately get myself a GWR loco to pull the pullmans to have a trip down memory lane.

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Not an expert here, but in around 1960/61 I received a Christmas present of a Pullman set with a Britannia pacific. I don't remember the details of the engine number, but the format was obviously based loosely on the South Wales Pullman make up of around that time - I'm not sure if there were any other of the Pullman trains that would have had a Brit on - apart from King somebody from somewhere or other as a 3-car boat train from Dover. Were Pullman cars used as whole trains in GWR times? I don't know, so would a GWR Hall have pulled a set in GWR times? At least Albert Hall would have made a plausible substitution in the event of a Brit/Castle breakdown on the South Wales train and in the early years of the Bristol Pullman, when the diesel unit failed, loco hauled sets were used as replacements, so the BR version of Albert Hall is very plausible. Any GWR historians out there to check the GWR times?

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QUOTE around 1960/61 I received a Christmas present of a Pullman set with a Britannia pacific. I don't remember the details of the engine number

Sounds like the set we got at Christmas 1966 - RS23. Ours had 70000 "Britannia". I still have it but the plastic beam that supported the upper part of the valve gear has crumbled with age, so I can't run it any more.

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Hi guys, i have another question for you.

I am also trying to re-assemble a Senior Freightliner set as this was the train set I received the following year - 1970. (I was an only child and spoilt a bit)
The set that I have has all the rolling stock and containers, but no track or crane.

My question however refers to the yellow road vehicles that appear in Catalogues 15 and 16.

In edition 15 the AEC artic truck with container are allocated reference number R575 and a release date of 'Autumn'. Was this ever issued??

In edition 16 a differant lorry is shown on page 15 , was this ever available?

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As far as I know the truck never made it into production - I have certainly never seen one.

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QUOTE (hymekfan @ 22 Dec 2008, 17:25) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi guys, i have another question for you.

I am also trying to re-assemble a Senior Freightliner set as this was the train set I received the following year - 1970. (I was an only child and spoilt a bit)
The set that I have has all the rolling stock and containers, but no track or crane.

My question however refers to the yellow road vehicles that appear in Catalogues 15 and 16.

In edition 15 the AEC artic truck with container are allocated reference number R575 and a release date of 'Autumn'. Was this ever issued??

In edition 16 a differant lorry is shown on page 15 , was this ever available?

Cheers in advance

Nigel

Actually I meant to say in the past post, is there anyone out there who would like to sell me a working Freightliner crane to help complete my Senior Freightliner set?

Cheers

Nigel
 
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