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QUOTE ICE

ICE3 and the AVE - HO Trix and Maerklin. Sighted at a distance of 2m across the Hamburg Model Wunterwelt looked relatively undetailed but I don't know the prototypes and it was at speed (3-rail ac , so must have been one of these. A reasonable length of train seems to be possible . I doubt scale length is an issue here - the sections are short. Mechanism? Detailed comments?

ICE1, ICE2 and ICE T - HO Fleischmann . ?? All the usual questions . (Can Neil confirm which ICE is featured in his photo?)



It's the ICE3 the review is here. Sorry I didn't comment on whether it was scale length but as you can see from the other reviews by Doug and Gary, nobody else does either. Bear in mind this came out in late 2004 if you do read the review.

In my opinion it is the most technologically advanced High speed unit model currently available. It has directional lighting , digital sound and all the coaches have installed lighting. It is an awesome model. There are three extra coaches available to take the length to eight coaches and it has a hell of a powerful motor so if you have the space it can really belt along.
It is also available in a Spanish variant AVE. These are available in two rail DCC or three rail AC and I believe there is also a Dutch variant too. It does look similar to the DB one though. My biggest annoyance with Hornby as you will read in the review is that they don't make a GNER 225 with all these features and detail. It would be the top of my railway wish list.

I'm kind of pleased you started this thread as, other than steam streamliners, my favourite trains are the high speed expresses.

Unfortunately I have no experience of the Fleischmann ICE's but their reputation would lead me to believe that they would be very good. Brian (DBClass 50 ) I think would know more as he has a lot of experience with Fleischmann. Ones he back from Egypt we can run this by him.

It does surprise me that the major model makers haven't made more models of say the TGV and so on. I guess it comes down to who has the rights to make one and if they reckon it's economically viable. I'm kind of hoping that Maerklin /Trix might do a Thalys or Duplex at some point. They tend to their models with sound and lights which I like. The Fleischmann ones tend not to have sound. There is a Brawa model of the OBB Talent coming out this year which although it looks like a High speed train probably is more of a local one. It is intended to have many features and will have imacculate detail and be spot on scale wise.

QUOTE And from what I recall the XPTs were subject to a 100mph speed limit The tracks here aren't very good. There are loads of crashes and trains are speed limited on many lines.
 

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Tren Ave 102 Talgo 350 de RENFE is available from Electrotren. Wikipedia says this about it

"Although until 2005 both Siemens and Talgo/Bombardier train sets consistently failed to meet scheduled speed targets, in a test run during the homologation tests of the new S102 trains of Renfe, a train-set Talgo 350 (AVE S-102) reached a speed of 365 km/h on the night of the 25th to the 26th of June, and on August 2006 a train-set Siemens (AVE S-103) reached the highest top speed ever in Spain: 403.7 km/h. On 19th May 2006 AVE trains on the Madrid-Lleida line began operating at 250 km/h. On the 16th October the trains on this line increased their operating speed to 280 km/h after the replacement of the Spanish ASFA signalling system with level 1 of the new European ETCS/ERTMS system. RENFE claim that the train will begin operating at 300 km/h in early 2007. To achieve the long term goal of increasing operating speed to 350 km/h level 2 of the ETCS/ERTMS system is required, which, in theory, will be installed in 2008".



It's fast but it ain't pretty.
 

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QUOTE The mehano Thalys is pretty accurate and looks great! How close up have you seen these Peter? Have you seen them running? Are they any good?

QUOTE Presumably Hornby/Jouef will rerelease the TGV reseau and other ex Lima TGVs at some point - a comparitive review against the Mehano competition might be very interesting Looking forward to it.

QUOTE A lot of them occasionally pop up on ebay, going for what appears to be the german equivalent of a nickel. I hope thats not because they're rubbish?


Just found this info on a European site. Thought it might be of interest.

Models of the ICE 3

H0 (1:87)

Märklin has announced a model of the ICE 3 (international version, class 406) for the märklin AC system in Delta and Digital version, to be delivered end of 1999. Length scale is 1:89 (ie. almost perfect H0 scale). This means that the middle cars are 279 mm long, which should not be a problem in 360 mm curves. All cars have interior lights. The basic set consists of the BordRestaurant car 406.3 (motorized) and both end cars 406.0 and 406.5. Transformer cars of 1st class 406.1 and 2nd class 406.6 will be available to extend the train.
Trix will sell a DC version of the märklin H0 ICE 3, which will look exactly the same as the märklin train, and also come in the same sets.

Roco had announced an "exclusive" model of the ICE 3, exactly to 1:87 scale, in both DC and AC systems. They gave up those plans however, and are now offering the ICE-VT instead.

N (1:160)
Arnold released a model of the ICE 3 in N scale in 1999 (after their initial ICT project was cancelled). The basic set consists of end cars 1st and 2nd class and transformer cars 1st and 2nd class. The middle cars 1st and 2nd class (powered in the prototype) are available too.
Z (1:220)
Märklin has announced a model of the ICE 3 (international version, class 406), to be delivered end of 1999. The train has interior lighting with LEDs. The basic set consists of the BordRestaurant car 406.3 (motorized), both end cars 406.0 and 406.5 and a 2nd class transformer car 406.6. For extending the train, a 2nd class car 406.7 will be offered. Here too, three types are missing so you can't form a prototypical consist yet.

ICE info

AVE info

TGV info

TGV models
 

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QUOTE (pedromorgan @ 3 Feb 2007, 16:42) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>yes i have seen the mehano. they often have it at modelzone in camden. they dont have one at the momment but they do have the coach packs.

It looks great

"How close up have you seen these Peter?"
about 4 inches with my nose pressed up against the glass!! i have also seen one running around my old club layout. its just fine. (the newer ones anyway. they are on their second tooling. the mech in the old units is not good.)

Peter
Thanks Peter, the Thalys just made it's way onto my shopping list. I think it's a fantastic looking train.
 

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QUOTE AVE 103 Velaro (ICE 3). The Spanish and german versions have a little differences, but the models are the ICE 3 with Renfe Operadora livery.
*Märklin/Trix: To me, a little jewel but too expensive. Only digital versions with sound (i don't know if the name of the stations are spanish or german ones)

The station names are Spanish and the announcements are in Spanish.
 
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