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QUOTE +IMHO, it wasn't bad - ok I did feel the best was the bachmann (but the RRP £15.00 more) the lima and hornby also rans.

Take out the heated language and I reckon most folk would go with that assessment - although you're a bit kind on Hornby and Lima , as their mechanisms were vastly inferior.

A lot depends on the price at which the latest new tooled Bachmann 37/4 is available in 2 months time. If Vi-Trains still have a modest price advantage it will probably come down to which model is available in the particular livery /condition you want
 

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QUOTE PS it now makes me wonder how orderly that queue was for the Bachmann Scotrail special? I can imagine a few bruises being suffered especially as there would have been a lot of red headed hard folk from Glasgow in the queue! (no offence to red headed folk from Scotland however you do have to admit that there is a certain reputation for hard drinking and hard living up in those parts....) And don't you forget it, it's not just the ones with red hair.

QUOTE Neil Woods wretched 91 is a fair sample of the limitations of the older models It's not that old a model though. I only bought this three years ago at most and it is still in the current Hornby catalogue. On the positive side it was this loco which made me discover Continental models. I bought this within a month of the Trix ICE3 and frankly they are at opposite ends of the model rail spectrum.

I am hoping the these Bachmann 66's will be out again soon as I would like to check them out. They do sound good from what I've heard.
 

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Hatton's are advertising a selection of Bachmann 66s in Freightliner green/yellow and in GBRailfreight Blue/mustard for £56-£58 . They also have a few of the DCC sound EWS livery locos left at £125 and the sound does sound pretty authentic - these seem to be the only EWS liveried models around at present , even though EWS is the main operator of 66s

(As Peterborough stabling point seems to have about 4-5 GBRailfreight 66s on shed every time I go past, this might sit well with a 91)

Signal Box Rochester seem to have a few DRS blue and Freightliner 66s, MG Sharp have EWS, Freightliner and GBRailfreight 66 for £65, Rails of Sheffield seem to be out of stock bar some limited editions, but expecting further deliveries

Basically pick your box shifter of choice and he should have some . Plug ugly (they're not called Sheds for nothing) ubiquitous on the real thing ,and will pull the side off a house

I may have been slightly misleading in speaking of "older models". What I mean is those models tooled up some years ago, to old standards , as opposed to recent releases from new tooling. The 91 was originally tooled up in the early 1990s , so it's 15 years old and hasn't been upgraded at all in that time , although it's still in the catalogue. The body tooling for the Hornby Hymek and 37 dates from the late 1960s (!!) and the last mechanical upgrade was in the early 80s . Both are still in the current catalogue even though totally outclassed by the Heljan Hymek (2003) and the Bachmann and Vi-Trains 37s

On the other hand Hornby's 50 (2002) 31 (2004) and 60 (2005) are all high quality models with centre drive mechanisms, lights, DCC Ready etc. This year they replace their old 56 with a new state of the art model. The Bachmann 66 is 2 years old

I see Signal Box are trying to clear Hornby 37s at £45 a pair (one dummy unit) - why bother when you can buy Vi-Trains or Bachmann for a fiver more? And one Scottish retailer is attempting to shift Lima 37s in the same livery as Gary's for a fiver MORE than Vi-Trains model. Hopeless...
 

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QUOTE (Ravenser @ 6 Mar 2007, 13:00) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The 91 was originally tooled up in the early 1990s , so it's 15 years old and hasn't been upgraded at all in that time , although it's still in the catalogue. The body tooling for the Hornby Hymek and 37 dates from the late 1960s (!!) and the last mechanical upgrade was in the early 80s .

Well,yes and no,Ravenser...


The plastic body/underframe/bogie frame mouldings are the same [although the Hymek did receive a slight upgrade in having wire handrails/sprung buffers/flush engine room glazing fitted]

Mechanically however,they are all now fitted with 5-pole ringfields and pick-ups from all wheels..

I do get the point that you are making,especially with regards to the class 37..,however Hornby stuff in red boxes still sells to the general public as opposed to 'serious' railway modellers as it is a familiar and well trusted brand name...
 

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Rails of Sheffield only received but a fraction of their actual order for ViTrains #37! They tell me that the ViTrains agents aren't planning to send any more in the near future.

Thus, they cannot meet their orders, sadly.

However, all was not lost.....a quick call to John at 53A models, Hull...http://www.53amodels.co.uk/about.htm

found he still has a few rail blue 37's.....and Regional railways 37's.....so if having trouble finding one or two, give him a call?
(don't tell him I sent you!)
 

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Bachmann have posted a couple of two photos of their forthcoming 37s. A bonnet aerial is prominent in both pix. Whether the timing of this new announcement is coincidence or not, at least it got Ernie off their front page!


David
 

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QUOTE (dwb @ 6 Mar 2007, 19:55) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Bachmann have posted a couple of two photos of their forthcoming 37s. A bonnet aerial is prominent in both pix. Whether the timing of this new announcement is coincidence or not, at least it got Ernie off their front page!


David

they both certainly look good......the 37/6 demonstrates just how much a spot of weathering can hilite detail?

37425 I think has the 2006(?) livery - repaint.....Bachmann have replicated the smaller numbers.....

differences between the two makes?

bachmann will have 6 wheel drive, as against Vitrain's 4....Opening cab doors? Cab lights?......careful, Bachmann, we're almost bordering on gimickry here?


well, we have light, we have sound...when is sombody going to come up with DCC-controlled SMELL?

where's the exhaust smoke?
 

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QUOTE (alastairq @ 6 Mar 2007, 16:24) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>However, all was not lost.....a quick call to John at 53A models, Hull...http://www.53amodels.co.uk/about.htm

found he still has a few rail blue 37's.....and Regional railways 37's.....so if having trouble finding one or two, give him a call?
(don't tell him I sent you!)
I'm sure he'll be glad to get rid of them, judging by his posts on various forums !
 

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QUOTE (Oakydoke @ 6 Mar 2007, 23:05) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm sure he'll be glad to get rid of them, judging by his posts on various forums !

Having viewed his comments, I don't see anything in the content that varies from what others, and myself, have observed.

At least he is honest.

However, he does leave decisions up to the customer in the end......and if shortcomings are acceptable, then fine...he praises the slow speed running qualities.......the main thing that attracted me to the Vitrains item.....the rest I can deal with!

I'm quite happy with the product..given that I rarely leave well alone anyway......somehow doing the same thing to a loco from elsewhere at £20 more doesn't sit too well with me.

My main niggle with most Bachmann products of late, is their inflexibility of running.

I find it disappointing that many of their products cannot be run on all available set track radii.

Try explaining to an 8 year old, why he cannot run an item he has set his heart on?

Every Bachmann coach he has 'bought' has had to be subtly modified by Dad so he can run it on his small layout.....with perforce a minimum radius at some points equal to No 1 curves.

Ok..I know about 'markets'.....and the answer is to not use tight curves, or to only use selected stock......and that is how he started.......but once he gets hold of the latest of dad's model mags, and see's what's on offer....then different forces begin to work.

One look at a working turntable, and he had his mind set upon one for his layout.........his layout is restricted by set-up space, and storage space when folded.......5 foot3" by 3 foot 7"......folded in half!.........a 'waisted' oval...dad's idea....with a passing loop on one half, with station...a tunnel on the other quater, much like one of the initial designs in the old Peco '60 plans' book?.........he DID have a bay platform, headshunt and goods yard...until the 'turntable' thing hit......plus, 'someone' bought him a Hronby engine shed, without prior consultation...I had steered him away from that one, for space reasons......he has a loco servicing spur, with ash pit.......so, out came the goods yard...he never did do much shunting anyway.... and in went Peco's turntable......and to make lining-up kid proof, I even fabricated sliding locks, which doubled as power selectors.

Since the last thing I would want to do is discourage someone from this hobby at such a tender age, I tend to view models from a different angle......what Dad would like, inevitably get's borrowed!

Dad's birthday prezzies also have a remarkable affinity with what No. 1 son has noticed locally on the prototype, and found a model of.........red and silver bachmann DMU's, for example?

which hardly fitted in with MY ideas!

(He doesn't grasp the idea about all my miriad of US stock...since the last time he saw anything like that for real, he was a babe-in-arms.......he does, however, want a 'City of Truro'.....if anyone has one for sale?)
 

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We had two of these running together at Warley MRC last night pulling a good rake of coaches. Took some pictures which I will post later if I have the time as its the Warley MRC AGM tonight and I'm a little busy right now!

Every club member came up and mentioned the light bleed and because we mentioned that we were getting a little tired of hearing this we suspect word got around to deliberately walk up, take a look, and mention the light bleed! We were running in one of the darker parts of the club room to be fair and it was also said that the lights are very bright.

Slow running with a good long rake pulling away from a station is OK and the other good thing is that there are certain areas at joints and points on the layout that are uneven and not once did the loco come off. Some of the coaches did though!


Now Bachmann Class 66's do at these areas if not driven carefully so the point mentioned above about how the ViTrains loco copes with uneven track seems valid. The Bachmann Scotrail special that ran last week was OK so the "coping with uneven track" issue seems hit and miss.

With all the Class 37 talk last night there are a few hot tips to pass on with regards to which models to get your orders in for.

Reliable sources suggest that "City of Worcester" from Bachmann and "Caerphilly Castle" from ViTrains are predicted to be exceptional sellers requiring early pre-ordering.

Happy modelling
Gary
 

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That was been the reason implied for the high demand for these 2 particular yet to be released models. There has been a lack of green Class 37's appearing in the shops in recent times and there is a pent up demand for green locos. And its been suggested that the Class 37 looks better in green.

Happy modelling
Gary
 
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