[Doug]

Can someone please give, or point me to some advice on lightly weathering these Bachmann vans:

And also this Bachmann 32-211 57XX BR Pannier loco:

 

[7113]

I find dry brushing works well on vehicle underframes, normally using a mixture of rust, grey and a little dark green (all matt). For the van bodt I would be tempted to use weathering pastels available from a number of sources these can be applies as a dust and worked in to the cracks sealing later with a matt varnish. Cake decorating powders are also good for this sort of work.

Regards

 

[alastairq]

brushing on pastel dust n teh lower regions is a good start.......brown, grey, black, rub on a strip of sandpaper and apply with something like a makeup brush.

the advantage of pastels or chalk dust is that nothing is irretrievable.

if you dont like the results, or want to experiment, the dust is easily removed.

Once dusted, either renew occasionally, or fix with matt medium spray.

[I have recently found my freebie weathering kit from an old NMRA convention...all in one of those little plastic film cans!)

 

[TimP]

QUOTE (alastairq @ 22 Aug 2007, 18:06) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>brushing on pastel dust n teh lower regions is a good start.......brown, grey, black, rub on a strip of sandpaper and apply with something like a makeup brush.

the advantage of pastels or chalk dust is that nothing is irretrievable.

if you dont like the results, or want to experiment, the dust is easily removed.

Once dusted, either renew occasionally, or fix with matt medium spray.

[I have recently found my freebie weathering kit from an old NMRA convention...all in one of those little plastic film cans!)

Doug I see you have fitted the bachmanns with kadees - do they have nice nem pockets? have you got a picture showing them fitted from underneath.

Tim

 

[ebaykal]

Hi Doug,

Yes, I would go along with alastairq and Britho, pastel chalks and various weathering powders will do the job fine unless you are good in handling an air brush, which is definitely a far better approach.

Yr boxcars are like photo painted models and the body looks too glossy. I would suggest applying a matte varnish before applying the chalk powder for better adherance. Below is an example of one of my weathering experiments of a box car done by this method. You can use a hard bristled type of brush or better again your finger tips which does wonders.

You and anybody else interested in weathering should also check the below site, they have done wonders.

http://www.modeltrainsweathered.com/

Cheers
Baykal

 

[Doug]

QUOTE (TimP @ 22 Aug 2007, 19:12) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Doug I see you have fitted the bachmanns with kadees - do they have nice nem pockets? have you got a picture showing them fitted from underneath.

Tim

Tim, look here: http://www.modelrailforum.com/forums/index...?showtopic=3343

Thanks to others for the advice.

QUOTE (ebaykal @ 22 Aug 2007, 19:31) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>...
You and anybody else interested in weathering should also check the below site, they have done wonders.

http://www.modeltrainsweathered.com/
...

Great site that. Access it with "mtw" and "enter".

I'm sort of aiming for a middle ground between fanatical weathering and the German style of crisp and clean. We are modelling here and we do have the right to try and may things cleaner than what you find in reality. The idea of realistic urban grot sitting on a layout doesn't really appeal to me. Is it not what we're trying to escape by the modelling in the first place...?

 

[papamikepapa]

Is it not what we're trying to escape by the modelling in the first place...?

Nope!

Any way in seriousness, the wagons can be toned down very easily. To highlight the planking I use a very thin wash of diluted matt black, my preference is for enamel normally humbrol paints. I will then pick out one or two planks and repaint them, but dont overdo it you only need one or two at a maximum. I don't always do this, but it can give some individuality. I always paint the wheels and the chassis matt black, you can use the wash to do this too. Once happy with the wash and any plank repaints I work over the wagon with a flat matt varnish, this will give a key to artists pastels to give a variation in the overall shade of the wagon, see here:
http://greengoscalerail.fotopic.net/p27144064.html
http://greengoscalerail.fotopic.net/p27144062.html

http://greengoscalerail.fotopic.net/p27144066.html
The brake van has been done with this technique in the last shot to give you an idea how this works on a gray 'wagon'.
http://greengoscalerail.fotopic.net/p40522408.html

With my pannier, I tone down the paint with varying shades of acrylic paint, normally Tamiya German Gray and Nato Black. once happy with those I then work on individual areas with pastels or enamles to bring out details I require. I would strongly suggest working from a picture of the prototype too, even if not the exact item you're modelling.
http://greengoscalerail.fotopic.net/p40522407.html
Hope that helps

 

[steve67]

Doug
I'd use washes of 'dirty' coloured paint wiped of in a downward motion either imedietly or after it's dried a bit, depending on the level of weathering, also the under frames look a lot better with a wash of dark brown or track colour, check photos on the web or in magazines,
also hope moderators dont mind me posting this but there is a great weathering thread on another forum, http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=17068
That tells you loads about weathering.
hope that helps
steve.

 

[dukedog]

Hi Doug,
Here's my attempt at weathering my 57XX

I used a mix of household emulsions and artists acrylics to get the base colour.
(Matt Black (Blackboard paint), White & burnt sienna.)
When dry I over brushed with my own dust weathering powder (wood ash!)
Hope this helps
Regards
Frank

 

[tekin65]

QUOTE (ebaykal @ 22 Aug 2007, 19:31) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>pastel chalks and various weathering powders will do the job fine unless you are good in handling an air brush, which is definitely a far better approach.

Hi,

"far better" in sense of ... ?

Regards,

Cem.

 

[TimP]

Doug I notice you have fitted kadees to them, did they require conversion or did they have suitable NEM pockets If conversion do you have piccies? What Bachy part no were they - just trying to maintin a list of UK conversions.

Anyone else please feel free to send me links/pics or partnumbers

Thanks

TimP

 

[baz]

QUOTE (TimP @ 24 Mar 2008, 10:35) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Doug I notice you have fitted kadees to them, did they require conversion or did they have suitable NEM pockets If conversion do you have piccies? What Bachy part no were they - just trying to maintin a list of UK conversions.

Anyone else please feel free to send me links/pics or partnumbers

Thanks

TimP
Hi Tim

Doug has left a link half way down the page with pics. He has used Kadee No 18's and turned the NEM pockets upside down so that they are not too high.

I have also started converting my stock to kadee's and am finding it difficult with all the different height NEM pockets Bachmann do. But I am getting on with it and have converted quite a few wagons using different methods.

I wil have to create a list on which wagons and Kadee's I used, I have converted over 50 now but am stuck on a Bachmann HHA bogie hopper wagon.

Regards Baz

 

[TimP]

QUOTE (baz @ 24 Mar 2008, 11:59) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi Tim

Doug has left a link half way down the page with pics. He has used Kadee No 18's and turned the NEM pockets upside down so that they are not too high.

I have also started converting my stock to kadee's and am finding it difficult with all the different height NEM pockets Bachmann do. But I am getting on with it and have converted quite a few wagons using different methods.

I wil have to create a list on which wagons and Kadee's I used, I have converted over 50 now but am stuck on a Bachmann HHA bogie hopper wagon.

Regards Baz

Hi Baz,

Sorry (a) I have asked that question before (

I didn't read the thread well enough (Doh)

Yep, in lieu of RTR suppliers getting their NEM pockets at a standard height what would be really useful is for kadee to produce some offset shanks with NEM fittings. I have written and asked, and even considered funding myself as a commercial proposition!

In the meantime if you have any record of what you have fitted to what and how, please send as I am trying to keep/publish a list -

I wrote the resources guide on Kadee fitting in the resources section of this site - but the list needs a serious expansion / update.

Ta

Tim