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I was born in 1950 in Bury St Edmunds. That says it all really. By using the resources available on the web I have discovered that I was born on a Sunday but other than a parent induced few years attendance at the Plymouth Bethren Sunday School the significance of the day of my birth seems to have had no lasting effect. (Goodness me, this is starting out like Lawrence Sterne's The Life and Opinions of Tristram Shandy).

Let me start again. I have chosen to model a GER location circa 1950 because I was born in West Suffolk in that year. That's better. The catalyst for this was a hopeless case of homesickness following a few years living and working in mainland Europe. (I described this in an earlier thread within the 00 forum, "A return to UK modelling", so I will not bore you with a rehash of all that waffle. David the moderator suggested I move ramblings to this forum). I first thought of modelling Bury St Edmunds but when I dimensioned it for 4mm I soon became aware that to do it justice I would need a room 60 feet long. I can imagine that there may be the odd one or two reading this who will think, "why not N gauge? Such thoughts should be nipped in the bud as 2mm has never appealed to me; it just does not look right. Anyway, there is more chance of Stephen Hawkins threading cotton through the eye of a needle than yours truly usefully employing his 10 thumbs in the pursuit of 2mm modelling excellence. It has to be 4mm because that's what I started out with as a nipper in the fifties, it's a scale still small enough to conceal modelling imperfections, especially if you squint a bit, plus I am just able to place the models on the track within a reasonable timespan. What of 7mm? Too big, too expensive and shoddy modelling skills all too apparent.

So, the lack of 60' to play with and a complete inability to accept compromises that would enable a 4mm version of BSE, complete with 31E and the must have bridge over Fornham Road plus the cannot do without Thetford and Sudbury branch junctions has led me to the conclusion that I must find another location to model. I think it best that the quest to find the right location should be the subject of a separate post so I'll leave that subject for later. My researches have proved to be most enjoyable, the armchair modelling phase being a pure delight not least because you always have one hand free to hold a beer glass.

Even though, for a time, I was unsure what my model would depict I was determined that it would be somewhere in West Suffolk. This knowledge allowed me to make a start on the locomotive and rolling stock fleet. This process commenced whilst I still lived in Germany where I was fully employed and properly remunerated. Being then in my late fifties I could well imagine the not far off time when my income would be severely depleted and my faculties somewhat dimmed. I therefore started to collect the minimum core fleet that would be needed for a true representation of 1950 West Suffolk. This is another "subject for later" as there is much to tell. In the meantime I thought that you might appreciate a glimpse of the pride of the fleet:


GER E4 62783 built for me by John Houlden. An Alan Gibson kit fitted with a DCC chip.

There are so many other elements involved in this tale that I wish to write about. Perhaps that is the intrinsic charm of railway modelling, this multi discipline pastime that can become so important in one's life. I believe that it is this complexity that keeps it fresh in your mind. If you weary of detailing yet another coal wagon you can be revitalised by contemplation of the next trackwork installation or avid study of your bookshelves or the internet to get an accurate composition of the 07:52 all stations stopper to Cambridge. There is also the problem of where can I put my layout? I did a lot of research on this question, bought books on the subject, scoured magazines etc. and the conclusion I came to was that our house in the UK (which we hung onto whilst we were abroad) was just not good enough. I managed to convince my wife that when we returned to the UK we had to move. After much negotiation this has happened, the principal requirements being a decent kitchen and an integral garage that could be converted into a railway room (you can guess which was my wife's stipulation. Sexist? Me?). This has now been acheived, a house found and moved into that we both like, kitchen extended as per without which, "you can forget it buster", garage door removed, replaced with windows and a door punched through into the house plus a radiator plumbed in so that it is nice and snug. Now all that remains is for the detritus of 63 years to be cleared away from the garage and the walls and floor suitably finished off:



That's approximately 20' by 9'. Not quite the 60' that I dreamed of but certainly useful enough. Unfortunately a lot of the clutter is boxes full of models and I am going through a process involving selling what is surplus, donating what I deem still worth something and possible benefit to good causes and taking erstwhile prize possessions that time has deemed worthless to the tip. I will soon be able to start on the shoulder height baseboards upon which West Suffolk Junction will rest. More on this anon.

I think that is enough for the first post. I will appreciate comments, suggestions, criticism if gently put and kindly in intention plus of course, bucketfulls of encouragement.

Best regards ................ Greyvoices (alias John)
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Thanks for the tip Angie. I clicked on the link you provided and have just this minute ordered a 5 litre container.

You have seen right through me Norm as I have to admit that having what now has become a chilled drinks cabinet close to hand underneath the layout has long been part of the dream. Boys will be boys but men must have beer. Having followed Angie's lead and bought 5 litres of IPA for the layout I have bravely volunteered to go out in the snow to do the weekly supermarket shopping so that I can swiftly populate the under-baseboard drinks dispenser with the other type of IPA. Norm, you hit the bull's eye.

I feel that I should acknowledge the painting I featured in my last post. It is The Pale Complexion of True Love by Eleanor Fortescue-Brickdale (1898) I hasten to add that the title of the painting in no way reflects the true nature of the relationship between myself and my wife. Phew. I think I got away with it.

Hopefully something more on topic in the next post.

Best regards ................ Greyvoices (alias John)
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Will Thinners, that well known country and western singer. Sorry LF&T, I do not know the answer but suspect that thinners may well leave an unwanted residue but of course I stand to be corrected.

Best regards ......... Greyvoices (alias John)
QUOTE (Greyvoices @ 19 Jan 2013, 11:38) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Will Thinners, that well known country and western singer.Of course! West Suffolk is stiff with c+w guys in frilly black shirts singing "I hear the lonesome GER whistle blowing..."
Its because of all those USAF bases I suppose, which locos like J15s used to deliver bombs to.

Thanks also for the credit to the painting - it was familiar though I couldn't put a handle to it. I'd originally thought pre-Raphaelite - but then I even Googled Durer images!

LF&T
Hi John,

QUOTE I hasten to add that the title of the painting in no way reflects the true nature of the relationship between myself and my wife. Phew. I think I got away with it.

Is it our understanding that your position would be prone, as you would not be so presupmtious as merely to Genuflect .........


J
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Sorry, its me again - fleetingly:
QUOTE .....all those USAF bases ..... which locos like J15s used to deliver bombs toI knew that resonated for some reason, just an hour or so later I remembered why.
It was this 1944 Soham explosion, for which the crew (of a WD Austerity) were awarded the George Cross.

LF&T
Thank you for that link LF&T, well worth reading to remind ourselves of these very brave men. Just how many lives they saved that day can never be calculated but it probably would have been in the hundreds. They are part of railway and British history and so shall never be forgotten.

The article mentions the Class 66's being named after them but I thought that there had been Class 47's also named in their honour.

Best regards ........... Greyvoices (alias John)
Julian,

Prone - genuflect. This is probably what has been my undoing because I have never been prone in front of anyone and genuflecting is instinctive. Perhaps I might try abject surrender to see if this makes me any happier but will it have a positive effect on my modelling?

Best regards ............ Greyvoices (alias John)
Hi John,

QUOTE but will it have a positive effect on my modelling?

It would help with soldering under the board and certainly with putting together small items, with many parts .... when you drop bits
they won't have far to go to the floor and therefore, be easier to locate again ...


If you do it well swmbo might think you simply adopting the grovelling position and may not look closer ...... more modelling time, un-noticed .....


QUOTE well worth reading to remind ourselves of these very brave men
Brave men indeed

J
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Hi John,

LF&T thanks for posting that link - have to be honest not something I had previously known about. As already said VERY VERY brave men indeed !

Cheers,

Norm
It's Monday lunchtime and it is eerily quiet. The snow brings with it a sense of calm for those who can afford to forgo the pleasures of work, shopping etc. Motorists are deterred by the icy conditions resulting in a sort of time warp as traffic reverts to 1950's levels. My wife puts on her boots and woolly hat, stuffs books into a rucksack and crunches off through the deep and crisp and even towards the library leaving me to re-enter my own time warp as in the railway room the calender is permanently stuck in Summer 1950:


The B17 is I think a PDK kit I bought ready made from Terry Smith. The C12 is purchase from Ebay.

The nationalisation of the railways in Britain took some time to be fully reflected with the corporate livery on all locos and rolling stock. Many still retained their pre-1948 identities for quite some years and I can still remember ex LNER and even ex GER coaches still in teak or Stratford brown late into the fifties. Some locos were never re-branded and, by adopting the year of 1950 I can run an interesting mix of trains. Perhaps the most colourful aspect of the railway scene in the fifties were the ex private owner wooden bodied wagons that were never re-painted, their original livery fading with much replacement of damaged or rotten planks that were also never painted. The recent issue of weathered and repaired ex private owner wagons by Bachmann are perfect for my era.


Hornby N2 fitted with sound by Keytes of Essex with a Hornby coach from the Olympics 1948 set (bought separately). Those couplings have to go.

As you can see from these photos I could not resist populating the H0 East German layout with some of my 00 stock. I just had to put some of my models on the tracks as most have never before turned a wheel.

Best regards ........... Greyvoices (alias John)
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As I mentioned in an earlier post the rails on the returned layout were in a shocking state and loco operation has been a real disappointment. I soon realised that it would have to be a back to basics approach as the track rubber proved to be next to useless. I have ordered and eagerly await the arrival of an industrial amount of IPA as per Angie's link. Whilst waiting for this I have been doing some research on the subject of rail cleaning and found this very interesting paper: Go with the flow.

I was intrigued by the reference to the properties of graphite as a prevention of build up of gunge on rails but, being wary of what they put in pencils these days have ordered an artist's graphite block from an Ebay store: Graphite stick. I am hopeful that a combination of a thorough cleaning with isopropyl alcohol followed by burnishing with graphite will do the trick. It is not my aim to deprive model railway companies from much needed revenue but the price of proprietary track cleaning liquid is a bit steep. I fully realise the costs involved but I feel that in this instance finding a cheaper solution (no pun intended) is justified. I am not always this stingy and I can cite my selfless support of the brewing industry as evidence of the sacrifices I am willing to make to ensure the survival of key manufacturers. Every year I look in vain for a mention in the new year's honours list, acknowledging my services to British Industry!!!!

Now all I have to do is decide how best to clean all the wheels. There are easy choices for locos, Peco's PL-40 gadget seems adequate though it would not be difficult to manufacture something myself. Wagon and coach wheels are more of a problem. I have seen various suggestions such as laying an impregnated cloth over some track and moving the wagon/coach to and fro until the wheels are clean. I believe that their is a solution offered by Bachyrus which spins and cleans the wheels but it does seem to be a tad expensive. Any suggestions will be welcome. I am sure that this subject must have been fully aired a time or two on MRF so I had best start searching.

Best regards ........... Greyvoices (alias John)
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Hi John,

Have to say I definitely think you have 200% made the right decision on the "new" layout for the Small Controllers Team, its part of nuturing the future of Railway Modelling (* & protecting your current assests of course) - well done that man !!!!!!

On the current assests front, those latest pics show some very very nice looking loco's & rolling stock, even if on / in a strange part of the world LOL !!!!

So no pressure now then, merely the three layouts to sort, hope that drinks fridge is fully stocked, have a feeling it may be needed LOL !!!

Of course step two will be the enrolment of your little helpers into the build of there layout, & the learning of new skills, so much fun ahead.

Great stuff, have fun, Cheers,

Norm
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The only problem with letting the little ones have input to the railway apart from driving it is that they have some ideas that make even my plans look realistic. So far The Small Controller has suggested:

1. Seaside, with real, live water.

2. A set of 1:32nd Airfix US Marines which I had built from a kit. He thought they should guard the station

3. A very old Dinky HS125 Dominie inherited from a cousin of mine.

4. A tiny toy Roman catapult.

5. A 3D wood kit of the front of a Maori meeting house or wharenui.

6. A 5" press-out cardboard kit of Twickenham Stadium.
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QUOTE (Iarnrod @ 21 Jan 2013, 22:05) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>.....So far The Small Controller has suggested:

1. Seaside, with real, live water.
2. A set of 1:32nd Airfix US Marines which I had built from a kit. He thought they should guard the station
3. A very old Dinky HS125 Dominie inherited from a cousin of mine.
4. A tiny toy Roman catapult.
5. A 3D wood kit of the front of a Maori meeting house or wharenui.
6. A 5" press-out cardboard kit of Twickenham Stadium.and
I BET THEY ARE ALL AT DIFFERENT SCALES! (note my shouting - for joy!)
This is exactly the point I tried to make in that endless thread about 00 versus H0 etc.
Its the young who are totally on the ball about collaging all the different bits they like together.

A lesson to all those hidebound old f
rts out there.

LF&T
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Suspect you & The Small Controller would get on very well, LF&T! The items he wanted to put on were entirely for (in his mind) aesthetic purposes.

It's a bit like my vision for the railway. It will all be built to the best of my ability, and it will have the odd bit taken from real life. However although I have no way of building it so one could take a picture as if from an aircraft & have a coherent whole I hope that what I do make (when looked at in different directions) will make sense...

Edit to add:

Really like your rolling stock again, John. Not being a complete expert would have been hard pressed to tell it was in the "wrong" landscape!
QUOTE (Long funnel & tiresome @ 21 Jan 2013, 22:18) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>and
I BET THEY ARE ALL AT DIFFERENT SCALES! (note my shouting - for joy!)
This is exactly the point I tried to make in that endless thread about 00 versus H0 etc.
Its the young who are totally on the ball about collaging all the different bits they like together.

A lesson to all those hidebound old f
rts out there.

LF&T

I had a phonecall from a mate who was out for a walk in a snowbound park in the northeast and he told me that he'd nearly been knocked over by an HBOF with a couple of youngsters on his back whooshing past on a toboggan. You don't see that everyday. Thank goodness he was able to duck into a Maori hut or there could have been a nasty incident.

Meanwhile, back at Greyvoice Hall, another HBOF was given an extra sausage for tea because his adoring and obedient wife very much approved of the sandwich for the grandchildren idea.

Best regards ............... Greyvoices (alias John)
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QUOTE (Greyvoices @ 21 Jan 2013, 14:59) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>As I mentioned in an earlier post the rails on the returned layout were in a shocking state...
In my youth I had access to all sorts of groovy analytical lab gear to characterise model railway rail muck and two things were very clear.

It is wear debris from the tyres and railhead, with plasticisers and heavier lubricant fractions acting as a binder.

Nickel silver rail and tyres improve with use with respect to dirt, as the worked surfaces are depleted of copper and polish up.

The way forward is to have both track and wheels in metal, nickel-silver or harder. No plastic tyred wheels, traction tyres, plastic crossings; and don't let soft solder get on the running surfaces.

Lubricate sparingly, ideally with grease which stays put.

Run the trains a lot. The wear debris is dark grey and flaky, doesn't adhere well.

Sweep this muck off the railhead using a drag. I just use hardboard, rough side down, a technique I got from Pendon. Small piece, block of lead on top, weighted up all wheel drive chassis to haul it about daily, job pretty much done on all the running lines. Once in a while I get a soft blobby lump stuck on a tyre. As soon as a vehicle is seen 'hobbling' it is checked and this is generally the cause. I think it is random lumps dropping out of loco mechs, cannot correlate it consistently to any source, just have to live with that.

Using regular nickel silver rail and a mixture of kit and RTR stock, here's an interesting side effect of all this. New rail and tyres offer poorer traction. I can put well run in locos hauling scale length trains up a grade on old rail no trouble. When it comes to the newly laid parallel track on the same grade, those same locos slip to a stand. Needs several weeks of running to get the new rail to the required standard. Never knew that before beginning construction of my present project.
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That was a very interesting post 34C, thank you. I am really interested in your hardboard drag method and have started eyeing up an old bogie well wagon with the idea of cutting out the floor and substituting a low slung block of weighted hardboard that resembles a dummy load. This, if loosely held in place at both ends, would enable it to be used successfully on an end to end layout. See what you've done, yet another item on my list of projects.

I have been testing various locos and coaches on the returned layout which I suppose I should refer to by it's proper name, "Glatzau (Sachs.)". I will write a full account of the history of Glatzau in a separate post; I baulk at the idea starting up a second topic in the H0 forum so this thread will contunue as a mishmash of 00, H0 and the new sandwich layout for the grandchildren. Anyway, back to the tests, DCC running on Glatzau has been miserable. IPA and graphite is now to hand so an initial cleanup and burnish is underway. There was one loco that ran with no problem, seemingly impervious to the condition of the track, the Hornby sound fitted A4 60001. I know, what is an A4 doing on a Great Eastern area layout? Memories of blissful days spotting at Peterborough prompted the purchase. I am pleased how it runs but I would like to know what CV tweaks to make to get the best sound performance. I have yet to try the Hornby sound fitted Britannia that was my latest purchase which has the added advantage of being the subject of a really helpful post (on which website I am unsure) by a chap working for Howes Models wherein he lists the CV tweaks suitable for this model. I wonder if the same tweaks could be used on the A4?

The shorter wheel based locos have had real problems on Glatzau so I have to commence with the wheel cleaning program asap. Attention to pickups must also be a prime consideration.

I have been pleased with the performance of the Bill Bedford coach couplings so I feel confident in extending this to the Bachmann and Hornby rakes of Thompson and Gresley stock. What fun, fitting close couplings and corridor connections and getting an instant improvement in the look of a train. UK modellers have been seriously let down by the manufacturers of 00 in the area of couplings and rolling stock performance. H0 manufacturers introduced these improvements many years ago but we are still waiting for this. H0 coaches that have couplings that open up the gap on curves but close up to nigh on prototypical coupling distance on straight track have been available off the shelf for perhaps over 20 years. Hornby and Bachmann could have easily introduced this on 00 models but had a policy of building to a price. It's a pity that even now, when the standard of bodywork on the latest models has become so good, with a coach costing over £40 the standard of couplings is still not up to European levels.

As usual I feel the need to apologise for waffling on.

Best regards ........... Greyvoices (alias John)
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Shock horror confession by old fool on a model railway forum," My posts can be a bit wordy"!!!

By way of an apology I offer this:


D212 at Swanick, Midland Railway Centre Summer 2010.

A mate invited me to join him to have a look at the special workings of a visiting Duchess. I duly took photos of the steam engine but what really caught my eye was this EE Type 4. What a splendid example of restoration. I've no idea if it is operable but it certainly looks the part. It was this class that took over from the Britannias on the principle East Anglian services at the end of the fifties. There was a brief halcyon period when Class 24, 30 and 40 were interspersed with Britannias, B1's and sundry ex GER old timers, almost but not quite good enough to make up for the disappearance of B12, D16/3 and F6 classes.

So, I have a soft spot for Class 40's and was really pleased to see one or two working through Preston on their last year in service. However, for me, they always looked better in the green livery with light grey roof and red buffer beam/end of bogie but of course without the yellow panel. I was pleased to see that Bachmann planned a revised EE Type 4 model of D212, sound fitted so I ordered one. OK so only D200 to D209 were allocated to GER lines but if I so choose I can change the model's identity to fit in with a 1960 incarnation of West Suffolk Junction. When I initially pre-ordered with Hattons the advertised price was £125. I now see that the pre-order price has risen to £187 and I wonder what I will be charged. I do accept that with such a long gestation period for this model the price would inevitably rise but an increase of nearly 50% does seem a little bit steep. Perhaps it reflects the fitment of a V4 ESU chip with really good sound, an upgrade to that initially planned. I do hope so.

Best regards ............... Greyvoices (alias John)
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Hi John,

A very nice pic indeed; so does that now put you 1,000 words in credit, or still vastly overdrawn LOL !

Good luck on the track & wheel cleaning duties !

Cheers,

Norm
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