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I was born in 1950 in Bury St Edmunds. That says it all really. By using the resources available on the web I have discovered that I was born on a Sunday but other than a parent induced few years attendance at the Plymouth Bethren Sunday School the significance of the day of my birth seems to have had no lasting effect. (Goodness me, this is starting out like Lawrence Sterne's The Life and Opinions of Tristram Shandy).

Let me start again. I have chosen to model a GER location circa 1950 because I was born in West Suffolk in that year. That's better. The catalyst for this was a hopeless case of homesickness following a few years living and working in mainland Europe. (I described this in an earlier thread within the 00 forum, "A return to UK modelling", so I will not bore you with a rehash of all that waffle. David the moderator suggested I move ramblings to this forum). I first thought of modelling Bury St Edmunds but when I dimensioned it for 4mm I soon became aware that to do it justice I would need a room 60 feet long. I can imagine that there may be the odd one or two reading this who will think, "why not N gauge? Such thoughts should be nipped in the bud as 2mm has never appealed to me; it just does not look right. Anyway, there is more chance of Stephen Hawkins threading cotton through the eye of a needle than yours truly usefully employing his 10 thumbs in the pursuit of 2mm modelling excellence. It has to be 4mm because that's what I started out with as a nipper in the fifties, it's a scale still small enough to conceal modelling imperfections, especially if you squint a bit, plus I am just able to place the models on the track within a reasonable timespan. What of 7mm? Too big, too expensive and shoddy modelling skills all too apparent.

So, the lack of 60' to play with and a complete inability to accept compromises that would enable a 4mm version of BSE, complete with 31E and the must have bridge over Fornham Road plus the cannot do without Thetford and Sudbury branch junctions has led me to the conclusion that I must find another location to model. I think it best that the quest to find the right location should be the subject of a separate post so I'll leave that subject for later. My researches have proved to be most enjoyable, the armchair modelling phase being a pure delight not least because you always have one hand free to hold a beer glass.

Even though, for a time, I was unsure what my model would depict I was determined that it would be somewhere in West Suffolk. This knowledge allowed me to make a start on the locomotive and rolling stock fleet. This process commenced whilst I still lived in Germany where I was fully employed and properly remunerated. Being then in my late fifties I could well imagine the not far off time when my income would be severely depleted and my faculties somewhat dimmed. I therefore started to collect the minimum core fleet that would be needed for a true representation of 1950 West Suffolk. This is another "subject for later" as there is much to tell. In the meantime I thought that you might appreciate a glimpse of the pride of the fleet:


GER E4 62783 built for me by John Houlden. An Alan Gibson kit fitted with a DCC chip.

There are so many other elements involved in this tale that I wish to write about. Perhaps that is the intrinsic charm of railway modelling, this multi discipline pastime that can become so important in one's life. I believe that it is this complexity that keeps it fresh in your mind. If you weary of detailing yet another coal wagon you can be revitalised by contemplation of the next trackwork installation or avid study of your bookshelves or the internet to get an accurate composition of the 07:52 all stations stopper to Cambridge. There is also the problem of where can I put my layout? I did a lot of research on this question, bought books on the subject, scoured magazines etc. and the conclusion I came to was that our house in the UK (which we hung onto whilst we were abroad) was just not good enough. I managed to convince my wife that when we returned to the UK we had to move. After much negotiation this has happened, the principal requirements being a decent kitchen and an integral garage that could be converted into a railway room (you can guess which was my wife's stipulation. Sexist? Me?). This has now been acheived, a house found and moved into that we both like, kitchen extended as per without which, "you can forget it buster", garage door removed, replaced with windows and a door punched through into the house plus a radiator plumbed in so that it is nice and snug. Now all that remains is for the detritus of 63 years to be cleared away from the garage and the walls and floor suitably finished off:



That's approximately 20' by 9'. Not quite the 60' that I dreamed of but certainly useful enough. Unfortunately a lot of the clutter is boxes full of models and I am going through a process involving selling what is surplus, donating what I deem still worth something and possible benefit to good causes and taking erstwhile prize possessions that time has deemed worthless to the tip. I will soon be able to start on the shoulder height baseboards upon which West Suffolk Junction will rest. More on this anon.

I think that is enough for the first post. I will appreciate comments, suggestions, criticism if gently put and kindly in intention plus of course, bucketfulls of encouragement.

Best regards ................ Greyvoices (alias John)
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Hi John,

Also good to hear "Man Flue" is hopefully on the wain, after all Easter Hols are only weeks away, so I am sure it needs to be so !

Yes the Exceptional Wagon / RJ style, is unfortunatley still safely housed in its box. Its a 380 Ton S............ Vorsprung Dork Technique, or something like that LOL ! But I cerrtainly have not forgotton that I need to sort some pics, along the lines of the exquisite ones, you very kindly produced of the original; but have a feeling it will not be for a little while yet - life eh !!!

I will also look forward to the pics / video link of your "local" club layout; & as always loved the aside storeys'; including the memories they have already provoked from other Forum members; the "watering" down of which I must say was admerable on all counts - the mental pictures say it all !!!!

Anyway, good luck with all four layouts now, I wonder what will become No.5 ...........

Cheers,

Norm
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Just a quick entry this evening to post one photo of the group layout that I have been working on this weekend. I am cream crackered so not many words from me tonight.



More on DDR border problems and group layout baseboard interface issues tomorrow.

Best regards ........ Greyvoices (alias John)

PS. For those of you who might find this layout a bit familiar, it is "Berlin Revisited" built and extensively exhibited some years ago by Peter Wurbacher. We bought it off him when he moved on to other projects.
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Hi John,

Aaaahh ..........


QUOTE For those of you who might find this layout a bit familiar, it is "Berlin Revisited"

Memories of the "Berlinner" Military Train Duty Officer, as many will remember with fond [ if slightly Vodka fuzzy ] memories ......


Note .. As the train stopped at the DDR Border [ Marienborn ] to have the documents checked, there would often be a friendly exchange of some libation with the Russian Border Officer, generally Vodka. Needless to say, the "exchange" did little for anyone's sobriety, as tradition had it that a bottle given was a bottle shared ........... ............

As for the sight of the first young WRAF Duty Officer climbing from the Track back up into the carriage ......... ..........
... best leave that one there, as there are too many fellas that shouldn't get too excited on the Forum .......

J
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I have not posted for a few days as I was hoping to be able to supply links to Youtube videos of Berlin Re-visited. Unfortunately the chap concerned has had a few problems uploading 50 megs of video so that procedure is now on hold.

In the meantime I thought that a couple more images might be ok so here goes:



Not the best quality I am afraid as the lighting in the portakabin is less than ideal. The next photo is even worse but just imagine that a slight fog is drifting across the locomotive stabling point from the Tegelsee and you could almost say, if in a charitable mood, that this shot was atmospheric:



Peter Wurcbacher built the layout to fit into a typical garden shed, 10' x 7'. Packing it up and getting it through the shed door to take it to exhibitions must have been very time consuming. As I mentioned in the last post, the dampness of the portakabin leads to the baseboards warping at different rates so keeping the track aligned over the joints is a real nightmare. As the layout is now a permanent fixture where it is this problem can be cured by laying bridging sections of rail across the joins and, by introducing breather switches it should be possible to accommodate any future warping in a prototypical manner.

(Note to self ........ check if Peco make code 100 breather sections).

I have not forgotten Julian's post regarding East German Border guards. My incident occurred on the Bebra to Gotha line but I had the good fortune to check for my passport a couple of miles before the border. When I realised that I could be in for a bit of trouble I went in search of the train guard who told me not to worry. He then used a brake wheel to stop the train beside the West German Border position and I left the train there, within sight of the barbed wire and lookout towers of the East. The driver of the train and what looked to be a few hundred passengers looked out of windows to see why we had stopped a few metres short of where the East German border guards were waiting for us. As the train eased forward without me a DB signalman beckoned to me from his cabin window and told me to sit on a bench that was close by. I had no idea how I was going to proceed from there as this was not a station (I believe that I was in Gerstungen) and what infrequent trains there were all stopped on the East German side. Eventually a V100 diesel with a motley assortment of vans appeared from an obscure siding and I was ushered into the loco cab. This apparently was the daily pickup goods that serviced the West German border post. I then was taken back to Bebra marshalling yard and from there walked along the tracks back to Bebra station where I immediately entered the station buffet to buy a beer or 2. A close up look at the border, a cab ride, a wander around the marshalling yard, all washed down with a couple of beers .......... a very enjoyable if accidental way of spending an afternoon in divided Germany.

I retraced my steps back to the hotel in Kassel to retrieve my passport, finally entering East Germany that very night via the Frankfurt - Dresden service that left Bebra at 01:36. I had lost over 12 hours on my itinerary but had gained so much more.

Best regards ........ Greyvoices (alias John)
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Hi John,

Thanks very much for the photos. I particularly like the track formation around that station area. Looks brilliant.

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Hi John,

Hope you are now firing on all cyclinders & thanks for posting the pics of the club layout. Have to say it looks like a very nice layout indeed, love all the detail, someone has put a lot of work / effort into that for sure. Hope the technology can be sorted out & a video or two posted.

Also thanks for your comments on the Loft Thread / Gantry SB, which I will reply to in due course hopefully, Cheers,

Norm
Thanks for your comments Norm. You have been a bit quiet lately so I presume you must be working hard.

I have so many projects on the go that I thought I'd give a bit of a Saturday lunchtime update.

In the past 2 weeks we have all at one time or another had bad colds or some other bug so not a lot has been achieved at home. We do now all seem to be recovered and as the grandchildren are staying with us for the weekend we have got stuck into some modelling. Yesterday evening we started on the Dapol house kit (yes, the one that is the subject of the group build forum), the first plastic kit that the children and their grandmother have ever attempted. We sat around the kitchen table, me being the strict supervisor, and started out correctly with painting (well that's my method). We made i this far:



Some time today we should get it all glued up but an assortment of ballet lessons, football on the recreational ground and the absolute necessity that I watch the England v Wales match are getting in the way. We have to get it done today because we have scheduled some tunnel/hill and platform building for tomorrow.

On the West Suffolk Junction front I have not much to report other than the D5579 project (see my "Show us your new loco purchase" post) has just commenced and I have been posing a few locos on the Glatzau layout:


A GER J19 and an LNER K1.

I have done absolutely nothing on the refurbishment of the Glatzau H0 layout.

Berlin Re-visited, my railway group layout is being neglected tis weekend but it is planned that work will recommence on this refurbishment next weekend, both Saturday and Sunday. I have bought some Peco breather switches (far too many as I did not realise that there were 2 to a packet) which will be used as bridge pieces across the troublesome layout baseboard joins:



I have not seen this method employed before to alleviate baseboard warping problems so this is a bit of an experiment. What could possibly go wrong!!!

So, that's it, now for the first of the rugby internationals. Bottles of Spitfire, cheese and pickle sandwiches and a comfy armchair. This is much better than the discomforts of actually playing but I still find myself going through the motions as if I was still playing ..... at 63? I have such fond memories of loosing the odd tooth and having my wedding tackle re-adjusted.

Best regards .............. Greyvoices (alias John)
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Hi John,

QUOTE and the absolute necessity that I watch the England v Wales match are getting in the way

Hope the Spitfire and cheese were ok ......

Looking forward to seeing how those Peco bits work, it should be interesting. ..
.. I have never heard of them before .......

J
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Yes Julian, the beer and sandwiches were fine but unfortunately the rugby did not go as I would have wished!

Anyway, that was yesterday and today has been much more positive. It has been a real modelling day with the children as the Dapol house kit has been completed:



and a start was made on the scenic elements of the sandwich layout which has been dubbed, "Chevin Hills" ....... hence the big lump of a hill that is as yet in embryonic form:



I think that the children have made a really good start with their first kit, choosing the colours, putting up with granddad barking instructions and showing great eye hand co-ordination for ones so young ( 9 and 7). The front elevation was a bit tricky as this bit was badly warped but in the end it all went together quite well.

They have also been fully involved with the choice of the scenic structure of Chevin Hills (they live just beside them which is why they chose that name) and we plan a lot of messy work in the coming days. That whole scenic lump must be lift-off-able so that the layout can be stored on it's side flat against a wall when not in use. This poses some challenges but making a structure such as a hillside light, strong and easy to handle is proving to be not so difficult. The base is the offcuts of the inner part of the layout board sandwich, held together with glue and pinned with kebab sticks (kindly donated by my wife with the admonition that kebabs are off the menu until we buy more sticks). The children insist that the newly built house must be placed on the hillside.

This level of intensity has really taken it out of me and I sit here this evening (well we both sit here this evening), two very tired grandparents. Where on earth do the kids get all that energy? I suppose it must be from their 3 square meals a day, a pint of milk each and goodness knows how many biscuits. I think that their parents dump them on us to save money on food bills.

Best regards ........... Greyvoices (alias John)
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Hi John,
Back to the layout .......... WHAT GREAT FUN! ........


PS. Shame about the game, I watched it too, with similar feelings no doubt.
At least it was the Welsh .....

j
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Julian, I noticed that the breather switches intrigued you so a few words about them.

It might be useful if you check out this website for a general run down on railway civil engineering : Visit My Website (this is not my website I hasten to add)

That website will explain it all much better than I can, but anyway, here goes:

Long welded rail (or continuous welded rail - LWR or CWR are the same thing) is, as it says, long lengths of welded rail, traditionally laid in 600 or 300 foot lengths which are then flash welded together. As you can imagine such a long length of steel can be subject to expansion in hot weather so breather switches are set into the track at intervals to take up the expanded length of the rail when it's really sunny. On hot days the rail can become so hot that it would burn your hand if you touched it. Serious buckling of the track can happen and extra patrolling by p/way staff is undertaken during the summer to keep an eye on the track. Care is taken when LWR is laid with due attention to the temperature. If the ambient temperature is not optimal at the time of laying then the rail can be stressed to account for expected contraction or expansion. This to me is a black art but vey neccessary to avoid the sort of problem that is evident in the next photo:




No copyright is claimed on either of these photos and they are freely available on the web.

I could be wrong but I remember breather switches being spaced every quarter of a mile but that does seem to be a lot of expansion points ........ as I said, I could easily be wrong. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable will be able to assist.

Many years ago I was asked to supervise a gang of blokes who had been given the task of assembling some breather switches. The breathers came in kit form but needed a bit of fettling to fit specific locations. The chaps made out that they did not know what to do just to make it difficult for me (the usual wigging of a new witless bloke who had been placed in charge) but I had been given a drawing (not unlike a model kit expanded diagram) and it all proved to be quite easy. The assembled switches were eventually loaded on a wagon and taken off to site for relaying on a weekend possession. Therefore, making up a couple of Peco breather switches and loading them on a wagon would not be un-prototypical.

There is so much more to know about LWR, breather switches and track in general so a good search on the internet would be very rewarding and probably turn up far more reliable sources of information than me.

Best regards ........... Greyvoices (alias John)
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I need to make one correction regarding my last post. I claimed that the images carried no copyright but of course the photo of buckled rails clearly states that it is the copyright of MTA Maryland.

I hope that this correction is sufficient to allay any concerns.

Best regards .............. Greyvoices (alias - must get new glasses John)
Bet you wish you'd stuck with the railway rather than watch the match, John. After the debacle that was the Ireland game (during that I managed to scald myself as I was preoccupied while making a concasse and put my hand in the bowl of boiling water to get out the enxt tomato) I saw Walsh was refereeing & nearly gave up on it there and then, much as England did.

Anyway, glad to see the grandchildren enjoying the work, they seem to have made a good stab at the kit. It's good when it's not just "poor Daddy on the railway"


Please see my thread for The Small Controller helping out with some scenic work, albeit with a live and working line running round every 30 seconds or so. You mention food bills - we're thinking of sending TSC to boarding school as even Eton would be cheaper than his eatin'...
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Possibly but ...........

QUOTE we're thinking of sending TSC to boarding school as even Eton would be cheaper than his eatin'...

Whilst the cost factor may have some merit, it must be worth more than that to avoid him being brought up alongside future politicians ...... and having to endure some of their style of establishing a pecking order .......


J
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QUOTE (Julian2011 @ 19 Mar 2013, 13:41) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Possibly but ...........

Whilst the cost factor may have some merit, it must be worth more than that to avoid him being brought up alongside future politicians ...... and having to endure some of their style of establishing a pecking order .......


J

The mention of future politicians is chilling; can you imagine little Jimmy asking if he can bring little Boris and little Dave home for the weekend as their parents are away counting their dosh in a tax haven. The grandchildren eating us out of house and home is a small price to pay to avoid an invasion by the cadet wing of the Bullingdon Club.

A couple of packets in the post today for "Chevin Hills", 2 Wills platform halts and an assorted job lot of figures. More practice for the children at kit building and figure painting.



Yes Iarnrod, our front row became dispirited by what seemed to be less than impartial refereeing at the scrums. Our forwards knew that it was not going to be our day so lost their edge. The England game is to grind the opposition down but a succession of marginal decisions effectively destroyed our natural rhythm. I have to admit that the Welsh did play well but it could have been oh so different. There is always next season!

Best regards ................ Greyvoices (alias John)
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Oooh, I do like your seated figures. Who are they by& were they expensive?

I want to fill my new DMU with passengers but the Hornby ones are about £5 for six people...

As for the Rugby I am still in a state of gloom, albeit that at least Ireland didn't win the spoon. As for all the comments about Jones dominating the front row that is fine, as long as the shove is now supposed to be straight to the ground rather than horizontally. It's certainly no longer the sport I played or the one I qualified as a referee in!
Dapol and Preiser. Of course the Preiser are H0 but if you put a bit of plasticard on the carriage seats it raises them up a touch so that you'd never know that they were not 00.

I found them on Ebay, £4 plus postage.

Best regards .............. Greyvoices (alias John)
Found them & bought the last of them, blast! I'm liking the look of the Slaters ones, though...
I am in full Parker mode today as I am chauferring Lady P. to Brimingham Airport. She is off for a few days visiting her mother. My wife was concerned that I might be upset that I'm not accompanying her, missing out on spending some time with my mother-in-law. I have managed to assure her that I can withstand the disappointment.

I have to admit that the house does seem very lifeless when my wife is away. Last weekend was brim full of life with the grandchildren staying with us and a week later there will just be me, on my own for 5 days. Not to worry, I have plans to fill up the time constructively:

I am thinking of a day out in Sheffield to check out the model shops and to sample the delights of the refurbished railway station dining room. Try this link: Sheffields old railway dining room. The internet is fine but there's nothing like being in an actual shop and Sheffield seems to be well blessed with them. Why this concentration?

I also plan on spending some time on the group layout, "Berlin Re-visited", hopefully completing the track refurbishments on Saturday and Sunday. I am hopeful that I can finish this task at the weekend because I have far too many projects on the go and shortening the list will get me close to my ultimate goal of working on "West Suffolk Junction" in my railway room.

I know what my wife's parting words will be at the airport, "don't drink too much and try not to eat fish and chips every day".

Best regards .............. Greyvoices (alias Parker)
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QUOTE "don't drink too much and try not to eat fish and chips every day".

Not much change out of "Ten Bob" then, see the Cinema is not included,in this context........
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