[Richard Johnson]

QUOTE (5696Arethusa @ 19 Aug 2008, 20:44) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>That sounds like a great idea, it also makes for a refreshing change for somebody else to prefer the rebuilt version. I always had the impression that the original was the peoples favourite and thought I was the only person who thought that the rebuilt was a better looking loco.

I also have a soft spot for Bantam Cock, it was a very nicely proportioned locomotive but with there only rver being two of them in the first place this one is not a realistic proposition

Andii

***I think a Patriot is already underway but have no idea as to its progress.

I think Tornado is a stunning achievement but I think another LNER standard would be one too many..... and before LNER fans yell at me, I say that for the same reason I don't think another Stanier is needed ....while I love em to death, there are enough taper boiler LMS loco's out there!

.... Perhaps a pre-rebuild original Scot?

It takes a lot of emotion stirred in the public to prize the money out of them for such an expensive project... so flair and imagination are needed, as is an image that'd stir a wide spectrum of emotions: I'd rather like to see a Johnson Single or perhaps one of the smaller loco's with a bit of style - a Midland 4-4-0, a GN tender loco of similar size or perhaps an LNWR Prince of Wales....

Or lets go Diesel, and rebuild LMS 10000 - that is a REAL "era changing" locomotive and may be a project that would appeal to a very wide contributing audience, as well as being probably easier than a new steam loco..... and theres no shortage of engineering expertise available for it!

Richard

 

[Richard Johnson]

QUOTE (34C @ 19 Aug 2008, 22:15) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>That's part of the reason why I think the P2 with A4 style streamlined front is a good one to go for. The A4 shape still appears in current railway advertising in the UK, because the wedge shaped nose is where its' at for fast rail travel today. If it looks right, it is right.

The other factors are that it is big, giving it the power and performance potential mentioned; and the uniqueness of the concept for the UK. We have characteristic examples of pretty much everything else significant in the UK steam traction story, both preserved and operational, save this one eight coupled passenger class, and the Garratts. (Not quite true, you have to go to Mulhouse to see the Crampton and Outrance 4-4-0)

The UK Garratts would be an operational nightmare: too slow for present mainline operation, much too big for a preservation operation. You have to go to Oz or Africa to see one, where they can really be appreciated. Are any of these monsters still given a run out in Australia? Footplated on a Zim railways garratt up the Vic falls incline, 1 in 39; that was a very good day.

***But rightly or wrongly, the already well and truly overexposed A4 shape is what would be seen and many of the great unwashed wouldn't even notice the difference...... I'd still like to see LMS 10000 before any other large steam locos..... Its certainly a historically more significant loco.

Richard

 

[Richard Johnson]

QUOTE (John H-T @ 27 Sep 2008, 19:37) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The Frame Plates for the Partiot have been ordered. It hoped that the frames will be on display at "The Steam, Steel and Stars II Gala" at Llangollen Railway next April. As convention decrees that a locomotive takes its identity from its frames, The Patriot will then exist!

The Fowler Tender stored at Barry is to be restored there by a team led by John Buxton, Director of Cambrion Transport Ltd., using trainee apprentices and local skills in a joint scheme involving Glamorgan County Council and John's engineerig company.

Further details of the project at:

www.lms-patriot.org.uk

Best wishes,

John H-T.

***Thank you for that info John, its appreciated! I'm delighted it'll be an unrebuilt loco - full of personaity and well worth remembering. An excellent name choice too, in the true spirit of the motivation for the naming of so many of the class!

Richard