Recently there has been a lot of locomotive classes that were never preserved being revived such as the B17, Patriot, Clan, Grange, Saint and many others.
I was wondering if given the choice what loco or loco's would I want to be revived whether it be steam, diesel or electric
My first choice would be Caledonian Railway No.903 Cardean as at one point it was Britains most powerful express loco and in my opinion was the pinnacle of Scottish loco design before the grouping. No.903 Cardean
My next would be one of the Great Western Atlantics either No.102 La France or No.40 North Star as its the missing link between the City of Truro and and the 4-6-0 Star Class being the first GWR four cylindered loco's. No.40 North Star No.102 La France
My last choice would be a semi-streamlined GWR Castle class as the GWR is the only company that doesn't have a streamlined locomotive in preservation, although its not that good looking in full streamlined form it looks quite good in semi-streamlined form with just the bullit nose, wedge fronted cab, full length wheel arches with streamlined funnel, dome and firebox. No.5005 Manorbier Castle semi-streamlined
would love to hear your suggestions and reasons for them.
I think we have enough steam engines in this country many of them needing restoration Tornado and the other new build projects have proved engines can still be built, but for the price of tornado 3 or 4 engines could be restored from barry wrecks.
Also why are all new builds locomotives, why don't groups build wagons and coaches. it would be great to see a bullied double decker coach.
Hmmmmm..... with over £500,000 reputedly spent on 4472's boiler already I'm not so sure that new builds don't make complete sense - but then I am biased!
QUOTE (bigdave @ 1 Sep 2008, 18:27) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think we have enough steam engines in this country many of them needing restoration Tornado and the other new build projects have proved engines can still be built, but for the price of tornado 3 or 4 engines could be restored from barry wrecks.
Also why are all new builds locomotives, why don't groups build wagons and coaches. it would be great to see a bullied double decker coach.
On the first count, I agree, on the second, sorry no. There's just not enough manpower or volunteers available to restore what there is.
Paul M.
QUOTE (Richard Johnson @ 19 Aug 2008, 13:06) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>***I think a Patriot is already underway but have no idea as to its progress.
Richard
The Frame Plates for the Partiot have been ordered. It hoped that the frames will be on display at "The Steam, Steel and Stars II Gala" at Llangollen Railway next April. As convention decrees that a locomotive takes its identity from its frames, The Patriot will then exist!
The Fowler Tender stored at Barry is to be restored there by a team led by John Buxton, Director of Cambrion Transport Ltd., using trainee apprentices and local skills in a joint scheme involving Glamorgan County Council and John's engineerig company.
QUOTE (John H-T @ 27 Sep 2008, 19:37) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The Frame Plates for the Partiot have been ordered. It hoped that the frames will be on display at "The Steam, Steel and Stars II Gala" at Llangollen Railway next April. As convention decrees that a locomotive takes its identity from its frames, The Patriot will then exist!
The Fowler Tender stored at Barry is to be restored there by a team led by John Buxton, Director of Cambrion Transport Ltd., using trainee apprentices and local skills in a joint scheme involving Glamorgan County Council and John's engineerig company.
Further details of the project at:
www.lms-patriot.org.uk
Best wishes,
John H-T.
***Thank you for that info John, its appreciated! I'm delighted it'll be an unrebuilt loco - full of personaity and well worth remembering. An excellent name choice too, in the true spirit of the motivation for the naming of so many of the class!
Poliss has got me thinking: while I can't see it ever happening, it would be very interesting to see how successful Bulleid's Leader would have been with modern materials and a suitable settling in period to refine/fix the untried design features. In principal, the double-ended steam locomotive could have revolutionised suburban workings in and out of the large termini, as well as giving the drivers a more civilised cab than hitherto - and I'm sure the fireman's lot could have been improved compared to the initial designs.
By the same reasoning, Brunel's atmospheric railwaycould have been made to work properly with modern materials and dsign principles.
QUOTE (steamrailuk @ 19 Aug 2008, 11:00) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Very nice choice, certainly tempted by the idea of a Garratt. Which one would you choose, LNER, LMS or one of the exported Garratts
If it was me, I'd probably pick one of the big pacific Garratts that the LMS decided not to build
all the above are nice, well and good....for those more kean on collection.......but as far as I can see, there is a HUGE hole once filled by RTR makers, but of late sadly neglected [probably for glamour reasons?] and that is, for a state-of-the-art 0-6-0 tender loco for the popular companies/regions.
A GWR 4-2-2 Rover Class would be rather good - very elegant.
Add a few more LMS (and pre-LMS comapnies that made up LMS) non-Stanier locos to prove that there was life there before the GWR influence - the Patriot is a great idea - what about a much-maligned Claughton too? I've nothing against Stanier locos, I really love them too, but some balance would be nice...
I would ideally like an Ivatt Atlantic model.
There are no end of top end A4's, A3's, Pacifics of all regions but there is still a lack of work-a-day locomotives such as an O4,O2 or J11. I know some are available in kit form but I have not built from a kit and prefer to buy if available. I model only eastern Region so I am biased. At least we can have a WD now so the choice is improving.
I think the original idea of the thread was to discuss which locos people would like to see actually able to run again - like the 'new' Partiot that is being built and the Tornado. The one often mentioned in books is the Claud Hamilton class.
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