[PeterPug]

It was the GWR Broad Gauge that got me intrested in model railways, oddly enough. I was looking for the Iron Duke, an old battleship (I think, not sure I ever found it) and came across the Broad Gauge Iron Duke and was 'smitten.' Track gauge, though - nothing seems to fit very well. (I suspect Richard Johnson could get some manufactured but there wouldn't exactly be a great demand for it)

 

[34C]

(Allegheny1600 @ 23 Mar 2018, 13:59) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Brunel's broad gauge The only problem is, what scale? Then, what gauge - something as good as 21mm gauge in 3mm scale?...

Seen a couple of exhibition layouts built on this basis, and very good too. Great project for someone who wants to escape the common herd (like me!) using OO.

I have a distant recollection of some 'in development' work at an exhibition, of S scale (1/64) with true scale track and wheel standards for BBG, which looked like O gauge, with the impact this brings. Very nice indeed for the 'airy' locomotive frames, yet allowing enough internal volume to get can motor drive lines developed for 4mm fully concealed.

 

[Ray Sadler]

J67/J68/J69 - must have been hundreds built originally!

Ray S

 

[34C]

(Ray Sadler @ 23 Mar 2018, 20:49) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>J67/J68/J69 - must have been hundreds built originally...

And examples can carry versions of GER blue and LNER green, and they were allocated hundreds of miles from their home patch. A good example from the long list of pre-group designs worthy of a model.

I was surprised (and grateful) that Hornby produced the J50 as their first truly all-new 0-6-0T in decades, with the J67 - 69 group going begging; and honestly believe Bachmann would have done far better tooling this loco family rather then repeating the J72. Why compete against a very large number of models available cheaply s/h, when for much the same investment you can offer something never before available in OO RTR?

 

[froggie]

A Fowler 2-6-2 tank engine with condensing gear

 

[Greyvoices]

QUOTE (34C @ 23 Mar 2018, 23:16) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>And examples can carry versions of GER blue and LNER green, and they were allocated hundreds of miles from their home patch. A good example from the long list of pre-group designs worthy of a model.

I was surprised (and grateful) that Hornby produced the J50 as their first truly all-new 0-6-0T in decades, with the J67 - 69 group going begging; and honestly believe Bachmann would have done far better tooling this loco family rather then repeating the J72. Why compete against a very large number of models available cheaply s/h, when for much the same investment you can offer something never before available in OO RTR?

You could use the same logic to champion a model of the GER T26 which became the LNER E4. Allocated to all corners of the ex GER area plus Hitchin and Darlington (to work across to Tebay). The E4 was particularly useful in wartime as it turned up on inter-regional workings to places as diverse as Hastings and Holyhead. The first of the class was built in 1891 with the final withdrawal in 1959. The last one was preserved (see here). The model could be produced in GER blue (as preserved), LNER black or BR black. There are a number of boiler developments and chimney variations plus a side window cab (fitted to the Darlington allocation) that could be replicated in subsequent models to entice multiple model purchases.

This is my E4 which I commissioned from John Houlden.

Best regards ................ Greyvoices (alias John)

 

[Adrian Swain]

Well Folks Sadly, none of the above will be happy as the latest announcement is a NEW 4mm version of the Dapol Terrier. All I can say is that I hope all the errors on the 7mm version are eliminated. I appreciate that the 7mm model won a model of the year award but that has never been any guarantee of accuracy just a measure of popularity. As the saying goes "Never let truth get in the way of a good story" Bearing in mind the innumerable errors present on the Dapol B4 "AS IT HAS CURRENTLY BEEN ILLUSTRATED" I fear the worst for the Terrier. Admittedly the original Terrier was a real dogs breakfast and Dapol must have been really pleased to offload it to Hornby but that was decades ago. It would be nice to see a new one, not just marginally improved, but made to the current best standard and not just a scaled down version of the 7mm model. Those who want to see some of the errors should read the forum topic, in another place, dealing with the 7mm version but should bear in mind many errors were not mentioned there.

 

[34C]

My E4 is in the queue for works attention, going to get a new motor and modern fold up gearbox. It was the penultimate w/m kit I constructed during my first phase of railway modelling, from the just released Stephen Poole kit. The worst w/m loco kit I have ever encountered: the boiler halves as supplied left a 4mm wide void inside so not a chance of a motor going in there, and a massive amount of excavation required. One tender side was both bent and blistered. I requested replacements and got a not very pleasing answer, but eventually new boiler halves arrived with a 10mm wide void as supplied, and a good tender side. Not entirely surprised that this maker didn't trade that long...

 

[Smokey Joe 0F]

Gazelle. That would be absolutely awesome. I know that wouldn't really get much traction, but it would seem fun.

 

[davecttr]

LNWR 18 inch goods 'Cauliflower' would be first on my list followed by LNER J21. There is a kit for the Cauliflower available but my old hands can't handle building it.

 

[6991]

Well, I already put in a bid for the ex-LBSCR K class 2-6-0 which was a wonderful workhorse, but I have a few other favourites that would make really nice models....
Surviving until the late 1950's, and 1960, working their iconic local services between Helensburgh and Arrochar & Tarbet were Reid's versatile C15 and C16 classes. A model of these elegant locos would be a nice addition for modellers of the NBR/LNER/BR scene north of the border.
6991

I do like the E4 idea too.

 

[34030 Watersmeet]

LNWR Precedent would be good. In fact some of the smaller locos that used to be in the Clapham museum would be good, several have already come up like the GER 2-4-0 and J69 and LSWR T3. There's already a GC Director available. That reminds me that another GC engine, the Robinson Atlantic, would be very good indeed.

I suspect that the SECR D class 4-4-0 will appear before too long, as the C and H have been very popular.

Interesting that there is a big interest in pre grouping locos.

 

[petespops]

How about a proper size LSWR C14/S14

I know Triang did Nellie, based very loosely on the above.

I think CSP models were going to do a kit in 4mm, but seems to have disappeared from their lists.

 

[tonkatoy]

What about a UP Big Boy, so us Brits can see how big it really is in OO??

 

[Julian2011]

QUOTE (tonkatoy @ 28 Mar 2018, 13:02) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>What about a UP Big Boy, so us Brits can see how big it really is in OO??

This is how big in HO, at a full length of 18".



Probably imposing enough for an OO layout, even 'though it would then be about 22.5".



Kind regards

Julian

 

[34C]

(34030 Watersmeet @ 28 Mar 2018, 12:25) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>...Interesting that there is a big interest in pre grouping locos.

Fairly inevitable if people want to add new classes of loco models to their layouts, or collections. There are not that many grouping and later steam classes without a RTR OO model, and none that are of any great significance. I now have all the significant grouping and later steam classes appropriate to my layout setting, but only half the the varied collection of appropriate pre-group designs, some of which I have produced by kits or adaptions. The GNR condition O2 from Heljan is awaited, and the announced N7 0-6-2T from Oxford is a very welcome item to run alongside my one good kit build, but I could easily add the N1 and N5 0-6-2T which I have not yet built. Other welcome tank engines would be A5, J67, J69, and I would probably buy a RTR C12 to supplement my kit build. Then in tender locos there's all of J4, J17 and J20, and I would not refuse E4, J6 and J19 if they emerged RTR to supplement my own efforts. Missing among the larger tender engines is the B16, the NER's one 'all line' engine contribution into the BR period, and the K2, neither of which I have got around to yet.

So there it is, fourteen pre-group classes with no OO RTR models ever available, that would suit this modeller's 20 mile long section. There are some others that would tempt me too...

 

[34C]

I knew we had an old thread on this subject!

Of the various wants, Hornby have supplied / are listing a great chunk of LNER big engine completion: A2/2 and A2/3 released; (not quite the A2/1 that K was after, but you never know they might complete the set of A2 parts) W1 in water tube and conventional boiler forms, P2 in the much better streamlined form, still to come. (There's really only the P1 and U1 left to do in the mightiness stakes, fill your boots Hornby!)

LNWR Precedent would be good...

I suspect that the SECR D class 4-4-0 will appear before too long, as the C and H have been very popular...

Good picks there, the D available and the Precedent expected soon.

...Interesting that there is a big interest in pre grouping locos.

Oxford Rail have clearly spotted this, four loco releases now and all pregroup designs. The N7s are good, and while the loudest call for an NER 0-6-0 was for the J21, I feel their choice of the J26/J27 was a good one as these were typical of the mineral engine species of 0-6-0, thus a little different from the selection of larger wheeled mixed traffic 0-6-0's already on sale. (If I were placing a bet on the likely maker of an early Midland or LNWR 0-6-0, it would be Oxford: as they have yet to produce anything from the companies that finished in the LMS group.)

And real progress for Scotland, the very handsome J36 from Hornby and imminently the CR 812 class from Rails/Bachmann. Might this trigger a couple more releases? There's an abundance of very handsome candidates such as the NBR atlantic tanks mentioned previously, CR 0-4-4T's and the 4-4-0s of both these companies, which were in service to near the end of steam.

 

[Wolseley]

Yes, a Caledonian 4-4-0 would make a very appealing proposition but, as there were quite a few varieties, the question is, which one? A Drummond 4-4-0 would be nice but, as they were pretty much all gone by the early LMS days, they probably wouldn't generate enough sales, with the same being true of the earliest of the McIntosh 4-4-0s. The later McIntosh engines are more likely to sell well as models, having a wider application, but there is the problem of the tenders - they were built with bogie tenders but the LMS withdrew the bogie tenders and replaced them with a variety of six wheelers from withdrawn engines. To my mind if there were to be a model of a Caledonian 4-4-0, it would have to be a Pickersgill. There were two classes, 113 and 72, almost indistinguishable and they all survived from Caledonian days right into British Railways (with one accident victim excepted, almost to the end of steam) almost unaltered other than a few changes to boiler mountings. Possible liveries, Caledonian light blue and dark blue (they appeared in both), LMS red, lined black, plain black and every variation on British Railways black, lined and unlined.

 

[kristopher1805]

The River still stands as my top choice, this (with a bit of brain power from Derby ) could have been the standard mixed traffic loco over 10 years before the Black 5 came along, still there has been progress, oddly 34c I have not seen a request for a J6 which I would have thought would have been up there, sorry if I missed it on your numerous postings.

I could start a thread on long lead times, I am still waiting for the new J39 which is odd as this was surely a well known and round about the system go anywhere freighter.
On the 9F side of things a rebuilt Crosti, now I saw these on the Colne Valley when a schoolboy so one I would fork out some beer tokens on especially as both big box makers have the chassis so surely not that difficult, they also actually lived quite a long time in this guise.

We (well at least 34c and I) are waiting for the Heljan O2/2 maybe one day perhaps it will hove to over the horizon. I agree to that an A5 and an N5 would both be welcome, I have these as kit built but they do devour maintenance. N1 would also be a nice addition just the thing for Halifax-Queensbury-Bradford service.

We now have the Q6 and there were quite a few similar freighters so a GCR Q4, GNR Q 123, LYR freighter and the LMS 7F are all possibles of course the GCR one is the most interesting/impressive of this bunch having outside cylinders

Now one loco that started out with an interesting career where the LYR rebuilt dreadnoughts, this should appeal to Scottish modellers as these worked the Preston-Glasgow section before the Scots, many withdrawn early until it was realised that the piston rings were rubbish and after adjustment the remaining few had quite a long life into BR days.

So maybe something to look forward to - eventually

PS I still like the A2/1 which is basically a V2 somewhat modified and of course that is another model rather overdue, announced prices leave me cold however so I may stick with the two I already have

 

[34C]

... oddly 34c I have not seen a request for a J6 which I would have thought would have been up there...

It was much requested in the 'wanted surveys' of years gone by. It's probably on a manufacturer's 'to do' list.