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The following coach picture is on the new Hornby website. It does not look like anything in current production and has "Southern" on the side. Any ideas what it is? :-



And are there any other "spots" that Hornby website visitors have made?


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I did notice on the website a few weeks ago they had extra Pendolino coaches mentiond, Allthough they seem to have dissappeared now ...

Come to think of it these were mentioned late last year in the collectors club magazine as a 2006 release but no mention in this years catalouge, nor on the current price list.

Numbers were (I think) R4271 - R4274.
 

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They said that there would be extra coaches produced for the pendolino in 2007.

This coach would tie in with what another member said about hornby engineers measuring up maunsell coaches on the Great Central Railway (??) in the early part of the year
 

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QUOTE (Gary @ 18 Dec 2006, 09:17) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Any ideas what it is? :-

Well Peter has told you what it is, so I'll tell you where. (although it's a fairly old photo).

This was taken at Sheffield Park in the early days of the Bluebell, I think the loco in the background is P class 323.

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I meant to put this in my earlier post but completely forgot..................

The correct answer is it is not a Hornby coach at all, it's a photo of the real thing!!

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The Maunsell coaches would be a welcome addition to be pulled by the M7 and I hope Hornby do make them. By the way has Bachmann ever released their suburban stock in Southern Region green?

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QUOTE (Sidney Sidings @ 18 Dec 2006, 22:48) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The Maunsell coaches would be a welcome addition to be pulled by the M7 and I hope Hornby do make them. By the way has Bachmann ever released their suburban stock in Southern Region green?

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Looking through the Ramsays guide no they haven't but there is the first part of an article about the useage of "suburban" mk1 rolling stock in this months model rail and it looks like very few were allocated to the Southern region. In fact initially allocations were eastern 251, western 187, midland 139, scottish 134, southern 34 That may have had an influence and those not scrapped ended up on the Eastern region I think. Bachmann've only just got round to doing blue ones though not out yet.
If hornby do decide to do a Southern carriage range to accompany their loco's it will leave Bachmanns pre BR range looking somewhat dated all round although their LMS and GWR offerings are quite nice.
 

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According to my 1960 "ABC British Railways Coaches" all the surburban Mk1 coaches supplied to the Southern Region were the longer 63ft versions, so the 57ft Bachmann coaches should never appear in green, it would seem.
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QUOTE (BRITHO @ 18 Dec 2006, 12:37) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Well Peter has told you what it is, so I'll tell you where. (although it's a fairly old photo).

This was taken at Sheffield Park in the early days of the Bluebell, I think the loco in the background is P class 323.

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I think the engine is C class no. 592 sans tender (though it could be O1 no. 65...).
 

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QUOTE (cig1705 @ 19 Dec 2006, 21:25) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think the engine is C class no. 592 sans tender (though it could be O1 no. 65...).

Definitely not the 01, the pic was taken before the loco sheds and workshops were built, the loco shed would be behind the coaches, C class is also a bit doubtful as it would have been at Ashford Steam Centre at the time this was taken.

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Maunsell BCK 6686 arrived on the Bluebell in about 1971-2 if my memory is correct, ex-Liss & Droxford, with 30064, Blackmore Vale, Bullied CK 5768 and some other stuff.

What is interesting is that this one of the later builds (1935) of Maunsells with the flush set screw windows, of the type of which some were converted into push-pull sets (Sets 600-619) in 1959-60. This will explain why all the BR versions of the M7 released are push-pull fitted versions.

We also now know therefore that one of the other Maunsell coaches will be a drop window open third from the 1933 batch!

Let us also hope that they also also produce, at least an early style (preferably high window) BTK and CK!
 

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QUOTE (Brake Compo @ 20 Dec 2006, 13:53) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Maunsell BCK 6686 arrived on the Bluebell in about 1971-2 if my memory is correct, ex-Liss & Droxford, with 30064, Blackmore Vale, Bullied CK 5768 and some other stuff.

More dodgy memory, wasn't this something to do with the movement from the erstwhile Longmoor Military Railway? (which is, of course, where the great St. Trinians train robbery was filmed)

Oops sorry, getting a bit off thread there.

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Yes there was a big move from the LMR when it shut, including 6686, but 6686 was at Droxford before that with the rest of the Southern Loco Preservation Co's stuff - from memory 30064, 6686, the GW Toad brake and the SER 6w passenger brake....

I think that the photo was taken sometime between about 1975 and 1977 as I seem to recall that 6686 entered traffic about '74 or so and it is clearly coupled next to a Maunsell TO - 1309 did not eneter traffic until late 1983 and the photo looks too early for that, whilst 1365 was withdrawn in 1977 - so I think that dates the photo. It is clearly is C class 592 in the background, which moved to teh Bluebell in 1970.

Anyway getting back onto the thread, I must say that I would be a little dissapointed if the Hornby choices are too skewed by the push pull sets - if any group of Southern coaches are over-emphasised it is Sets 600-619. These Maunsell pushpull sets were only in service for about 5 years, but because a lot of photographers were active then photographing the diminishing Southern branches, people seem to think that these were the typical Southern push pull sets. I think that that the, much longer serving, sets that these replaced (and in frequently operated alongside) would be much more worthy targets: things like the converted ex-LSW ironclads, the ex-SEC birdcage vehicles (without birdcages) of course, the ex-LSW gate stock, the ex-LBSC units and the ex-Isle of Sheppy railmotor vehicles would all have been far more interesting and relevant to a much longer period for modellers. What I am concerned about is that if the choice of vehicles by Hornby precludes typical Maunsell mainline/secondary route/branch formations, which is far more relevant - if we get a BCK, TO, BTK and a CK then we can do quite a lot, if not we cannot .
 

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QUOTE (BRITHO @ 20 Dec 2006, 10:53) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Definitely not the 01, the pic was taken before the loco sheds and workshops were built, the loco shed would be behind the coaches, C class is also a bit doubtful as it would have been at Ashford Steam Centre at the time this was taken.

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But it can't be a P as the engine has no bunker or side tanks, not to mention the cast cabside numberplate...

 

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OK

I conceed the class of loco, on my PC it looks like a small tank loco.

On a more serious note I have to agree with Brake Compo in that if these vehicles are to be released then the push pull versions should be ignored.

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