Would you buy a Garratt?

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neil_s_wood

Discussion Starter · Jun 5, 2007

Garratt, would you want one?

Which prototype would you like to see

LNER	21	24.71%
LMS	20	23.53%
NSWR	4	4.71%
Vic Rail	1	1.18%
Tas Rail	0	0.00%
WA Rail	0	0.00%
SAR (South African Railways)	6	7.06%
BR	12	14.12%
East African Railways	2	2.35%
South American	1	1.18%
Indian Railways	2	2.35%
Rhodesian Railways	5	5.88%
Other UK	4	4.71%
Other African	1	1.18%
Ceylon Railways	1	1.18%
Other Asian	0	0.00%
Somewhere else	1	1.18%
Other Australian	4	4.71%

Which Gauge would you prefer?

O	0	0.00%
OO	37	67.27%
HO	12	21.82%
N	6	10.91%

What maximum price are you prepared to pay for DCC ready twin motor(£)?

100	8	17.78%
150	19	42.22%
200	11	24.44%
250	7	15.56%
300	0	0.00%

Would you buy one if made (please think before answering and answer honestly)?

Yes	31	68.89%
No	5	11.11%
Not sure	9	20.00%

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neil_s_wood

Discussion Starter · #2 · Jun 5, 2007

Following on from the recent Garratt thread I thought it might be worthwhile gauging how popular a Garratt model would really be. The results could be some free market research for a model company who might be considering making such a model or alternatively a signal to those interested to forget it and start practicing making brass kits!

So here goes with a poll to see what would be the most popular type and livery. There's only so much you can include in these so I haven't broken it down into era and wheel arrangements as this is getting too picky. I have picked the most popular prototypes too as there are too many to choose from.

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pedromorgan

· #3 · Jun 5, 2007 (Edited by Moderator)

which GAUGE would you prefer? OO or HO?????????
come on neil, you know better than that!!!!!!

Seriously though i think for that question we have to assume that brittish stuff would be OO and evrything else would be HO. the metre gauge varients would have to be HOm.

Peter

neil_s_wood

Discussion Starter · #4 · Jun 5, 2007

QUOTE (pedromorgan @ 5 Jun 2007, 15:19) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>which GAUGE would you prefer? OO or HO?????????
come on neil, you know better than that!!!!!!

Seriously though i think for that question we have to assume that brittish stuff would be OO and evrything else would be HO. the metre gauge varients would have to be HOm.

Peter
You can have both. I voted for both on the basis you just said. I don't mind which.

Doug

· #5 · Jun 5, 2007

Yes, 12mm HOm is the best (although not perfect) gauge. You can build (or order ready made) DJH Garratts in HOm gauge.

I think that most people would like to run these on their home layouts so 16.5mm is probably going to have to make do. It doesn't bother me too much. I just want to see these things running.

34C

· #6 · Jun 5, 2007

The drive system I would prefer would be a single (BIG!) motor and flywheel in the boiler unit, with concealed shafts to drive both chassis, similar in principle to that used on twin bogie traction. This would probably require a lay shaft under the motor to move the drive line low enough to go under the pivots, but above the driven axles. As for the price, realistically I cannot see such an item being produced for less than double the list price of a current 'big engine' like the Brit or 9F, so (reluctantly) went for £250.

For me it has to be the LNER monster as first choice, though the LMS Garratt would be irresistible. And any of the ex-Rhodesian now Zimbabwe Railways types would 'do it' for me, having ridden on a couple. Ideally this would be 4mm, 16.5 gauge - overgauge by roughly the same error as standard gauge is undersize in OO.

A South African friend used to build his own at 5mm/ft on HO track, using suitable HO and OO mechanisms and running gear. This looked very good indeed for the 3'6" gauge; although the track was slightly narrow, the dimension over the wheel faces using RTR mechanisms was almost dead right. Locos and rolling stock came out good and chunky, similar to 'S' gauge.

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60134

· #7 · Jun 5, 2007

Drive system? Wot, no live steam? If I had the necessary I'd have an Accucraft Garratt with R/C and a line long enough to test it (and the rolling stock!).

60134

Doug

· #8 · Jun 5, 2007

Accucraft Garratt - Nice one

Only $4525.00 (£2271)

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neil_s_wood

Discussion Starter · #9 · Jun 6, 2007

A OO LNER for 150 quid seems to be the favourite so far!

7113

· #10 · Jun 6, 2007

Closely followed by the LMS variant.

Regards

John

60134

· #11 · Jun 6, 2007

Doug wrote "Accucraft Garratt - Nice one - Only $4525.00 (£2271)"

You'll be lucky if you find one at that price. They started around there but the latest and final batch have an RRP of £3150! However, they are gorgeous and well worth the money. Once this batch is sold there will bo no more...

60134

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Doug

· #12 · Jun 6, 2007

QUOTE (60134 @ 6 Jun 2007, 14:34) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>...
You'll be lucky if you find one at that price. They started around there but the latest and final batch have an RRP of £3150! However, they are gorgeous and well worth the money. Once this batch is sold there will bo no more...

...

Weren't you going to get me one at some discounted price...

I could finance this by selling my OO/HO collection and run a single inside line of 45mm track around my garage and a nice long loop around the garden...

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neil_s_wood

Discussion Starter · #13 · Jun 6, 2007

QUOTE (BRITHO @ 6 Jun 2007, 22:26) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Closely followed by the LMS variant.

Regards

John
Looks like LMS has caught up now.

60134

· #14 · Jun 7, 2007

"Weren't you going to get me one at some discounted price...

I could finance this by selling my OO/HO collection and run a single inside line of 45mm track around my garage and a nice long loop around the garden..."

Doug, if only..... There is a feeding frenzy going on for the last few and no one in their right mind is likely to discount the price! However, scrapping the HO and going G scale sounds like the most sensible thing you've said in ages!

Get rid of all those nasty, electric mice and get something you can burn your hands on.....

60134

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Ozzie21

· #15 · Jun 8, 2007

Yes DJH Garretts are nice. here's one I built earlier.

A$600 to buy, probably only take 100 hours to build, they are all black so it's easy to paint then why haven't I done mine?

Ozzie21

QUOTE (Doug @ 5 Jun 2007, 17:20) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yes, 12mm HOm is the best (although not perfect) gauge. You can build (or order ready made) DJH Garratts in HOm gauge.

I think that most people would like to run these on their home layouts so 16.5mm is probably going to have to make do. It doesn't bother me too much. I just want to see these things running.

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neil_s_wood

Discussion Starter · #16 · Jun 9, 2007

QUOTE (Ozzie21 @ 9 Jun 2007, 09:42) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yes DJH Garretts are nice. here's one I built earlier.

A$600 to buy, probably only take 100 hours to build, they are all black so it's easy to paint then why haven't I done mine?

Ozzie21
Good question. Still looks very nice though!

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Ozzie21

· #17 · Jun 9, 2007

Well basically it's because after I build them, add a DCC decoder, test them, fix the little shorts cause those brass brakes are a bugger, get them to run sweet, I put them back in the box and there they stay cause I've usually started something else by then. One day though I'll supprise myself and paint it and the twenty or so others, two hundred pieces of rolling stock. I'll never find the time.

Ozzie21

QUOTE (neil_s_wood @ 9 Jun 2007, 10:23) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Good question. Still looks very nice though!

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Jeorge

· #18 · Jun 9, 2007

There is a 15" gauge Garratt for sale at Perrygrove Railway if anyone is interested

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pedromorgan

· #19 · Jun 13, 2007 (Edited by Moderator)

I found my railfest disc last night and found a picture of a model of the class 59.

From memory i believe this to be the actual Beyer Peacock builders model.

peter

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neil_s_wood

Discussion Starter · #20 · Jun 13, 2007

QUOTE (pedromorgan @ 13 Jun 2007, 15:00) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I found my railfest disc last night and found a picture of a model of the class 59.

From memory i believe this to be the actual Beyer Peacock builders model.

peter
Very nice, so how much is one of those then?

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