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Airfix Castle (also Dapol and Hornby)

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The retooled Hornby Castle class loco's recently released are probably as near perfect as is possible to a realistic 00 scale replica of the class and is unlikely to be beaten by another ready to run model.

For most people the Airfix version that came out in 1977/ 78 is now consigned to history but spare a thought for the 00 scale locomotive model that was revolutionary in its day.

In the mid 1970s the typical Rovex Hornby [formerly Tri-ang and later Triang Hornby] locomotives were coarse scale toys that were too high, too wide, had moulded hand rails and pipe details, and coarse scale generic wheels. In their favour, they ran well, had a long life expectancy and could easily and economically be serviced or repaired. Wrenn produced the ex- Hornby Dublo die cast metal range which had finer detail and ran well out of the box but were more expensive and were spoiled by wheels that were too small.

In 1976, along came the Airfix Castle with reasonably scale dimensions that looked the part. Although it had the motor in the tender, it ran quite well until the rubber tyres on the tender wheels became loose or split. The Great Western version was named Caerphilly Castle whilst Pendennis Castle suited early British Railways layouts. It was spoiled by the driving wheels being too small.

Circa 1988, the Airfix Castle tooling was taken over by David Boyle, sold under the Dapol brand, and came out with a ring field motor in the loco similar to the Dapol County. The pancake motors were noisy until well run in but were better than tender drive.

Dapol did not reproduce the Collett 4000 gallon tender used on the Airfix version and all Dapol Castles towed the County version of the Hawksworth tender. [Hawksworth County tenders were 8ft-6in wide in full size whereas the Hawksworth tender used on Castles, Halls and Modified Halls were 8 feet wide].

Hornby acquired the Airfix/ Dapol tooling and created improved versions with Airfix Collett 4000 gallon tender (now free- wheeling) and the wider Hawksworth County tender. The Hornby painting and lining takes some beating so many were sold, especially the Collett- tendered ones.

The Airfix Castle loco moulding is wrong in the cab roof contour (can be improved), firebox shape and the wheels are too small but the low profile boiler bands have been equalled only by Hornby in the Grange, retooled Castles, Black Five and other very recent models.

Soon after the Airfix Castle and Royal Scot loco's came out, General Mills (Palitoy) released the Mainline range made by Kader Industries. The range later included the GWR Manor class which has had several reincarnations since Bachmann Branchline started in 1990. The Manor is a good model but the boiler bands on this and most of the Mainline/ Bachmann range stand too proud of the boiler compared to the Airfix Castle.

The now superseded (Airfix) Hornby version of the Collett 4000 gallon tender represents the type built for the King class in 1927-30 which have different tank, fire iron rack and chassis so it has a possible reuse to give some variation on a layout. As the shade of green is fairly constant on Hornby GWR/ WR loco's, the Castle tender can create other livery variations of the King by mixing and matching.

The Airfix tender top can be made to fit a Hornby tender chassis as per Hornby service sheet numbers 260C (King), 293 (Castle) and HSS 306 (Hogwarts Castle). The Airfix top has moulded hand rails which need improving but do not look too bad running on a layout. The colour and lining of the Airfix BR Pendennis Castle tender top is a reasonable match for a Bachmann early WR Wraysbury Hall {Modified Hall class}.

A sensible use can be found for the Airfix- derived King type tenders but the problem is what to do with the Airfix, Dapol, old Hornby Castle loco's? They would be difficult to sell minus a tender so has anyone got some ideas for converting them into something else? Or improving same?
 
#2 ·
QUOTE (GW6959 @ 26 Apr 2010, 13:16) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>A sensible use can be found for the Airfix- derived King type tenders but the problem is what to do with the Airfix, Dapol, old Hornby Castle loco's? They would be difficult to sell minus a tender so has anyone got some ideas for converting them into something else? Or improving same?
Apart from the option of modelling Swindon B (??) shop in the 60's I really don't know.

Regards
 
#3 ·
Use two of the boilers to create an O-16.5 model of the hitherto little known double Fairlie 2-6-2 + 2-6-2 'Castell class', of the Ffictionddat-Didnxist Railway, constructed at their famed Nonsuch works.
 
#5 ·
QUOTE Title should include metamorphosis spelled correctly.

Your wish....

David
 
#6 ·
A toy shop in Perth was selling off Airfix Castles at ÂŁ8 each in the early 1980s so I took the plunge and bought a load. I still have most of them, but my conversions also included a Saint and Star created by fitting boilers from the then current Hornby Hall.

I will add photos of some of the variations I created here in due course. Although I don't run these models any more I have a soft spot for them and one of these days I will get a display case to put them in.
 
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#9 ·
Many years ago I bought 2 GWR 4-6-0 locomotives second hand - they must have been 1980s designs. These had loco drive and a lot of separate detail - generally very good looking models, although performance was not up to todays standards. They were a Castle and a County. I mention this because they were stamped "Life Like" under the tender and, I think, made in China. I know "Life Like" is an American brand (now owned by Walthers) and I'm wondering how on earth these came about.

John
 
#10 ·
I have an Airfix castle tender driven,when running the tender wobbles quite a lot.
It has been serviced and the traction tyres look ok,it has not had a lot of running over the years.
Is this wobble a general problem with the Airfix tenders drives.

Cheers
Bob
 
#11 ·
QUOTE (Bob129 @ 28 Jul 2011, 15:04) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have an Airfix castle tender driven,when running the tender wobbles quite a lot.
It has been serviced and the traction tyres look ok,it has not had a lot of running over the years.
Is this wobble a general problem with the Airfix tenders drives.

Cheers
Bob

Yup - it is . (Often seems to be due to tyres worn but working)

Graham
 
#12 ·
Well it is quite a mixed bag as to the opinions regarding tender drives.

In my excitement to buy my first loco (off ebay) I purchased an Airfix 4f tender drive which is in very good condition. I didnt know it was tender drive as I was a complete beginner at the time. I must admit though I thought I had purchased a bag of rubbish as the loco wheels would stall and lock up when driven around.

Some added lead cured the loco wheels and I have said it before and will say it again that it is a very sweet runner, quiet, smooth and very controllable all the things that tender drives are not supposed to be. I dont know if I have just been lucky but I cant complain about my Airfix tender drive.

cheers
Ron
 
#13 ·
Well my opinion on tender drive is not mixed - I hate the accursed things. I have had to struggle with these in the past but I ditched mine long ago. There are generally superior models available of the same prototypes (Princess, Black 5, 8F etc). We do still lack for a decent 4F and 2P. The upcoming 3F from Bachmann is pretty exciting - can a 4F be far behind? I saw an article that put a T9 chassis under a 2P body - I should imagine that Hornby must have one in the pipe (4P compound too I hope).

John
 
#14 ·
Hornby are re-releasing the 2P and 4F with loco drive, and the Compound in the Railroad Range, also with loco drive.

Although I still have all those Airfix Castles, they are not regular runners. The only tender drives I still have resident on my layout are the Airfix 4F, Dapol 2P and a Hornby Compound which was repainted in BR lined black for me 25 years ago or more. I don't like tender drives and these locos will no doubt be replaced by the upgraded ones in due course.
 
#15 ·
Have to agree with Ron on this we have 10 tender drives in our collection and can clearly state here we have had no problems with them at all, and are all sweet runners and have no wobbles!!!!!. Maybe we are lucky i do not know but one thing is for sure, i would not change them for the world. Seems there is two sides to every story.

Regards,
Mike & Helen
 
#16 ·
Hi Mike & Helen,

As I mentioned the Airfix 4F was my first loco and I didnt even know that tender drive existed until I received it. I then started to read about how bad they are and thought what have I done having bought a second hand tender driven loco.

When I first received it I must admit I thought that all I had read was true as the loco wheels would lock up and skid but by trial and error I cured that by weighting the loco.

It is now a very sweet little runner and I cant complain about it at all, as you say maybe we are just lucky.

cheers
Ron
 
#18 ·
You've made me dig out a few old Airfix locos bought many years ago before I had loft layout set up therefore they've had very little running. Royal Scot just purrs around straight out of box it's been in for 30 years, castle is a bit jerky. However, I bought several 4Fs (when they were being sold off for ÂŁ4 or so each in the early 80's recession - remember double figures interest rates?) I detailed 2 of them as SDJR locos in BR days (one left hand drive, one right hand drive) plus close coupled tenders, real coal, screw link couplings and so on. Having done all that work years ago, I'm loath to get rid of them and they come out from time to time. The tender drives get much better the more running in they have. The skidding unpowered driving wheels were fixed by taking the driving wheel sets out, cleaning the axles and oiling them and reassembling - run freely with a bit of care.
They look good double heading a long freight train - however at the end of the day recent commercial chassis are much smoother at starting and when these tender drives wear out perhaps comet chassis will be a superior answer. Also, don't think there would be much point in converting to dcc.

But they look the part and were leading edge technology in their day.
 
#19 ·
You've made me dig out a few old Airfix locos bought many years ago before I had loft layout set up therefore they've had very little running. Royal Scot just purrs around straight out of box it's been in for 30 years, castle is a bit jerky. However, I bought several 4Fs (when they were being sold off for ÂŁ4 or so each in the early 80's recession - remember double figures interest rates?) I detailed 2 of them as SDJR locos in BR days (one left hand drive, one right hand drive) plus close coupled tenders, real coal, screw link couplings and so on. Having done all that work years ago, I'm loath to get rid of them and they come out from time to time. The tender drives get much better the more running in they have. The skidding unpowered driving wheels were fixed by taking the driving wheel sets out, cleaning the axles and oiling them and reassembling - run freely with a bit of care.
They look good double heading a long freight train - however at the end of the day recent commercial chassis are much smoother at starting and when these tender drives wear out perhaps comet chassis will be a superior answer. Also, don't think there would be much point in converting to dcc.

But they look the part and were leading edge technology in their day.
 
#21 ·
In the good old days there was a firm at Maidenhead called Crownline, and they supplied conversion kits for the Castle Class so one could produce variants with the different inside cylinder covers. It was these that I used for the conversions - these models were done back in the early 1980s!

I am not aware of such items being readily available today but stand to be corrected.
 
#22 ·
Yes I can remember Crownline, pity they are not still around. I want several small detailing items that used to be available, but the supply of this type of item seems to have dried up. I suppose the well detailed RTR as taken away a lot of the call for these bits.

Regards, Keith.
 
#23 ·
The Airfix model was released in 1979 not 1976 as stated in the first entry in this topic.
The original Airfix releases were the 61xx and 31 which although announced in 1976 did not appear until the following year.
1978 saw the 14xx, Scot and 4F released and the Castle was the last loco released before the range was sold to Palitoy (Mainline)
 
#24 · (Edited by Moderator)
As stated in my previous post the Airfix Castle tender was noisy and wobbled quite a lot.
I managed to get a Hornby tender (tender drive) from Ebay and rewired it to the Castle.
It now runs superbly quite and no wobble.
Never used it much before did not like the wobble and noisy running,now its a great loco.
Regards
Bob