The missing link between the Crab and later LMS moguls? Well not quite as the succesor to Staniers mogul was his own 4-6-0 black five.

I can agree that it would make an extra change and maybe one will eventually appear. Hornby however, have not made a mogul for years (James and the pre 1980's Ivatt, both hardly modern tooling to modern standards!).

That leaves us with Bachmann, who already have 3 LMS Moguls in their range --> the fowler Crab, and both Ivatts. I suspect the Ivatts sell more than the Crab, and I doubt the Stanier would be as popular as the Crab. But given that all classes of 2-6-4 tanks are now out there then why not??

 

With four types of LMS built standard mixed traffic tender locos available, the coverage is pretty good: is a manufacturer going to go for another similar looking numerically small class of loco, or for something significantly different in appearance? (Same thing applies to the 2-6-4T group, for sure the most numerous of the Fowler and Stanier type are available, but not the Fowler with the Stanier cab, or the Stanier 3 cylinder class.) The answer to that question at the moment appears to be 'something different' with the recent S&DJR 2-8-0 and Midland 3F coming from Bach, Hornby revising their 4F and 4-4-0 types; and there are plenty more numerous 'different' classes on the LMS which might attract a model sooner than the Stanier mogul, Austin Sevens, Jumbo 0-6-0s, L&Y 2-4-2T, Fowler or Stanier 2-6-2T to name a few examples.

Permit me to suggest some modelling, if the manufacturers don't look like quickly getting around to the job. The 8F loco body and cylinders grafted onto a Crab chassis is a quick route to this loco, the biggest job is to revise the top feed arrangement.

 

I'm a bit fuzzy on this, but there must be some real historians out there....
If memory serves me correctly this was Stanier's second loco design, after the 0-4-4 tanks, for the LMS and his first tender loco. As such, it was the first LMS loco to embody several classic Swindon features that Stanier brought over. I think there's even a shot somewhere (a 'Steam Days' feature from the mid 1990's perhaps?) of the first one with a Swindon type safety valve!!

Obviously a hard working group of locos because my 1966 'locoshed' book, which gives the shed allocations for LMR to October 9th 1965, shows 24 out of the original 40 still at work!! All allocated to Heaton Mersey (9F), Springs Branch (8F) or Oxley (2B). Interesting class and the forerunners of some interesting LMS loco developments in the 1930's.

6991

 

The Golden Arrow kit can be made into a very decent model of a Stanier Mogul too. If memory serves me correctly, it needs a Hornby Fowler 2-6-4T chassis, and a Fowler tender from somewhere, plus handrails, some detail bits, paint and lining..... Of course, once you've got all those bits, the price can mount up, but you take it as far as you want to I guess.

Iain

 

Was the Golden Arrow body kit brought out before the Crab was available? The Crab is a far more logical starting point than the Fowler tank loco ISTM, chassis right, tender right; basically a new set of cylinders and you are done.

The Princess pacific prototype was the first of Stanier's designs to enter LMS service. (Forget the continued production of essentially unchanged Midland designs like the 0-4-4T and 4F.) It could be argued that the moguls were the first Stanier class in service, going on to complete their working lives essentially as built; whereas the pacific would be extensively modified with a different boiler and tender as the design was developed to meet the service requirement. That's an interesting marker that Stanier knew exactly how to specify a medium power mixed traffic design, but a high capacity design was well outside his experience, and the solution had to be sought over several iterations, in the course of which the original design was abandoned completely.

 

QUOTE (6991 @ 7 Feb 2011, 12:08) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm a bit fuzzy on this, but there must be some real historians out there....
If memory serves me correctly this was Stanier's second loco design, after the 0-4-4 tanks, for the LMS and his first tender loco. As such, it was the first LMS loco to embody several classic Swindon features that Stanier brought over. I think there's even a shot somewhere (a 'Steam Days' feature from the mid 1990's perhaps?) of the first one with a Swindon type safety valve!!

Interesting stuff - the 0-4-4T was under Stanier's tenure but designed by Lemon - with very obviuos 'Midland' cab and smokebox door !

I remember seeing a photo of an LNER V2 (60854?) - with a copper-capped double chimney at Doncaster!

These engines were famed as punching above their weight - often habdling 8F loads without fuss.