Hi,

Plenty of KPEV P8 on eBay Germany who will ship abroad. Prices around 130 Euros which is cheap imho for display/used models. One example KPEV P8 or another.

Cheers

 

QUOTE (TheAndrian @ 5 Nov 2016, 00:11) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi,

Plenty of KPEV P8 on eBay Germany who will ship abroad. Prices around 130 Euros which is cheap imho for display/used models. One example KPEV P8 or another.

Cheers

Thank you for that! I found a T9.3 in the UK I sent an offer to. If I'm not committed to buy that I will certainly look into these P8's. I've got them watched.

 

Or if you want to go completely mad - have a look for this set https://www.reynaulds.com/products/Fleischmann/481571.aspx

 

Hi Wolferz,
You've picked my railway!!!
Not that I have any special authority on it, of course! I know of at least two other Brits who have fully working railways set in Prussian times! It's just that I've been modelling and collecting Prussian stuff for several years now so do know a little bit about it.
Please beware that earlier models from Fleischman, Lilliput, Piko & Trix can have inaccurate liveries as well as inadequate drives in certain cases (Lilliput!).
Real Prussian locos had a wonderful dark olive green livery on the upper works and a dark red/brown livery on wheels and under-frame.
Generally speaking, prior to WW1 the green was lined with fine red lining, during and after the war, the lining disappeared and postwar, the KPEV imperial 'Eagle' was removed.
More details here: Wiki
A wonderful review of various Prussian models is available here: News from Prussia (by our member, Guardian!)

Regarding acquisitions of stock, all I can say is - keep on with how you are going and be patient! I have been waiting years to obtain at 'reasonable' prices, certain coaches and open wagons. They are available but I refuse to pay "new" prices for quite old models! I'd rather wait until the manufacturer releases them again, if that's the case.
Certainly, on German ebay, there is a lot of stuff available but often the seller won't ship abroad or, if they do, they don't use Paypal as they think bank transfer is cheap! It is - in Europe but certainly not in the UK!
It IS difficult to obtain things, especially if you are on a budget - my only way of getting round this is to sell off things I no longer require until I can afford what I want/need.
Hope This Helps,
John.

 

QUOTE (reddo @ 5 Nov 2016, 03:16) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Or if you want to go completely mad - have a look for this set https://www.reynaulds.com/products/Fleischmann/481571.aspx

That looks a very nice set! I like Reynaulds for research and the detail of information, but I think their prices are absolutely outrageous. Am I the only one that thinks this way?

QUOTE (Allegheny1600 @ 5 Nov 2016, 11:02) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi Wolferz,
You've picked my railway!!!
Not that I have any special authority on it, of course! I know of at least two other Brits who have fully working railways set in Prussian times! It's just that I've been modelling and collecting Prussian stuff for several years now so do know a little bit about it.
Please beware that earlier models from Fleischman, Lilliput, Piko & Trix can have inaccurate liveries as well as inadequate drives in certain cases (Lilliput!).
Real Prussian locos had a wonderful dark olive green livery on the upper works and a dark red/brown livery on wheels and under-frame.
Generally speaking, prior to WW1 the green was lined with fine red lining, during and after the war, the lining disappeared and postwar, the KPEV imperial 'Eagle' was removed.
More details here: Wiki
A wonderful review of various Prussian models is available here: News from Prussia (by our member, Guardian!)

Regarding acquisitions of stock, all I can say is - keep on with how you are going and be patient! I have been waiting years to obtain at 'reasonable' prices, certain coaches and open wagons. They are available but I refuse to pay "new" prices for quite old models! I'd rather wait until the manufacturer releases them again, if that's the case.
Certainly, on German ebay, there is a lot of stuff available but often the seller won't ship abroad or, if they do, they don't use Paypal as they think bank transfer is cheap! It is - in Europe but certainly not in the UK!
It IS difficult to obtain things, especially if you are on a budget - my only way of getting round this is to sell off things I no longer require until I can afford what I want/need.
Hope This Helps,
John.

I appreciate all the information! I have the Fleishmann 5800, 5801, 5802, and 5803 models for a total of 7 cars. I wish I had known about the issue with Liliput, the offer I had made was for a Liliput model. I thought the Rheingold set I got from them was so detailed that I wanted to give one of their Loks a try. I bought this one for about $77 US from guess where? The UK! LOL 7361 Mainz olivgrün/d.rot Liliput 9100 1982 GS T 9.3 der K.P.u.G.H.St.E.

I hope that it turns out to be a good model. Let me know what you think of it if you care to look it up? I also agree with you about Bank Transfer. It is ridiculously steep here in the US as well. Ta for now.

 

Hi Wolferz,

Using bank transfer is expensive. Recently I've had some issues ordering items from the model railway cottage industry in Germany where a lot still prefer using bank transfer than PayPal. Solution I found was to use Transferwise very reasonable comissions worth looking into. Link for Transferwise.

Cheers

 

Hi Wolferz,
I can only say "have a look here": Model Wiki Google 'translate' or similar may be required.
A 1982 model? Well, the livery looks to be the earlier inaccurate style, sorry!
However, it was another ten years before the company were taken over by Bachmann so it will be an Austrian built model - some were good, some not. Lets hope you are lucky!
Please take heart, I may be being too hard on certain companies and models! I did have a later version and it was quite a sweet runner, just wrong colours as I didn't know at the time. Later, I bought a much more expensive Fleischmann model which is superb in every respect.
Ha! This was my 3rd Prussian model, my second being the Roco T14 (BR93)! (what a mistake to make!). However, this was as a birthday present from my good lady so I can't dispose of it.

Hi TheAndrian,
That looks like a good tip, I shall check it out, thanks!

Cheers,
John.

 

Hi Wolferz,

Whilst sharing a pint with my dealer, Ian of Mount Tabor Models I mentioned that there was a bloke on MRF looking for KPEV locomotives and he mentioned having a Prussian P8 fitted with DCC Sound at around £250. Forgive me if I don't have any more details but we were just chatting in a pub.

If you are interested this is the link to the Mount Tabor Models website which obviously contains contact details.

He also told me that he has some very good deals on Brawa wagons which undercut German prices ........... now, just when I was thinking that my budget for 2016 had gone way out of control I feel compelled to go to Cromford to check them out.

I hasten to add that my relationship to Mount Tabor is that of a customer but the proprietor is a friend.

Best regards ................. John

 

QUOTE (TheAndrian @ 5 Nov 2016, 22:23) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi Wolferz,

Using bank transfer is expensive. Recently I've had some issues ordering items from the model railway cottage industry in Germany where a lot still prefer using bank transfer than PayPal. Solution I found was to use Transferwise very reasonable comissions worth looking into. Link for Transferwise.

Cheers

Thanks! I will have to remember that when dealing with people that prefer transfer.

QUOTE (Allegheny1600 @ 6 Nov 2016, 03:49) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi Wolferz,
I can only say "have a look here": Model Wiki Google 'translate' or similar may be required.
A 1982 model? Well, the livery looks to be the earlier inaccurate style, sorry!
However, it was another ten years before the company were taken over by Bachmann so it will be an Austrian built model - some were good, some not. Lets hope you are lucky!
Please take heart, I may be being too hard on certain companies and models! I did have a later version and it was quite a sweet runner, just wrong colours as I didn't know at the time. Later, I bought a much more expensive Fleischmann model which is superb in every respect.
Ha! This was my 3rd Prussian model, my second being the Roco T14 (BR93)! (what a mistake to make!). However, this was as a birthday present from my good lady so I can't dispose of it.

Hi TheAndrian,
That looks like a good tip, I shall check it out, thanks!

Cheers,
John.

John,
I hope that it pulls the 7 cars. I am limited on budget so had to purchase one I could afford. I will see when it arrives. I use that Wiki all the time, and it is where I posted the details of the loco from. I may very well PM you in Feb to get your advice on the best lok to pull those specific cars I have. I am excited to receive it!

QUOTE (Greyvoices @ 6 Nov 2016, 07:32) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi Wolferz,

Whilst sharing a pint with my dealer, Ian of Mount Tabor Models I mentioned that there was a bloke on MRF looking for KPEV locomotives and he mentioned having a Prussian P8 fitted with DCC Sound at around £250. Forgive me if I don't have any more details but we were just chatting in a pub.

If you are interested this is the link to the Mount Tabor Models website which obviously contains contact details.

He also told me that he has some very good deals on Brawa wagons which undercut German prices ........... now, just when I was thinking that my budget for 2016 had gone way out of control I feel compelled to go to Cromford to check them out.

I hasten to add that my relationship to Mount Tabor is that of a customer but the proprietor is a friend.

Best regards ................. John

Thanks! I have bookmarked their site and will have a looksee next time I have extra funds.

 

Good Afternoon Everyone, After being Legally Robbed by a Certain Building Society for using My Debit card for Purchases in Germany and Switzerland. I came across ( Transferwise.com ) at first i could not get it to work, But they were very very Helpful There Fee for transferring less than £500.00 is Just 2 Pounds and Also you Get the Commercial Exchange rate. And to add to that it is so Fast compared to others They Inform the Recipient and you along the way. The only thing you have to be really careful of is the Swift code all I do is copy and Paste Job done. Best Regard Babs

 

Hi again Wolferz,
Happy to help whenever I can, I only hope my advice (& knowledge) is accurate!
From what I recall of your Prussian coaches, they (like mine!) are 1893 D zug coaches. This means they are Express train coaches and mostly would have been hauled by the following steam locomotives~;
P4 4-4-0 (Roco)
P8 4-6-0 (Fleischmann, Trix, [maybe Roco?])
P10 2-8-2 (Trix, Fleischmann*, Rivarossi#)
S6 4-4-0 (Fleischmann)
S9 4-4-2 (Brawa)
S10 4-6-0 (Fleischmann, Trix, Roco)

*Model in inaccurate liveries.
# poor model in inaccurate livery.
~ Electric locomotives were also available but, as a beginner - I'm guessing you're not going down this route? (yet!).

I am pretty sure these are all the Prussian locos that may have hauled these coaches in express service. Surely much smaller locos would have moved them around as empty stock and other movements?
Note: The lack of Pacific types in this list? Prussian railways never had any!
Obviously, as time moves forward from 1893 until 1920 or so, such express trains would have been handled by the newer and more powerful locomotives.
Cheers,
John.

 

QUOTE (Allegheny1600 @ 8 Nov 2016, 10:40) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi again Wolferz,
Happy to help whenever I can, I only hope my advice (& knowledge) is accurate!
From what I recall of your Prussian coaches, they (like mine!) are 1893 D zug coaches. This means they are Express train coaches and mostly would have been hauled by the following steam locomotives~;
P4 4-4-0 (Roco)
P8 4-6-0 (Fleischmann, Trix, [maybe Roco?])
P10 2-8-2 (Trix, Fleischmann*, Rivarossi#)
S6 4-4-0 (Fleischmann)
S9 4-4-2 (Brawa)
S10 4-6-0 (Fleischmann, Trix, Roco)

*Model in inaccurate liveries.
# poor model in inaccurate livery.
~ Electric locomotives were also available but, as a beginner - I'm guessing you're not going down this route? (yet!).

I am pretty sure these are all the Prussian locos that may have hauled these coaches in express service. Surely much smaller locos would have moved them around as empty stock and other movements?
Note: The lack of Pacific types in this list? Prussian railways never had any!
Obviously, as time moves forward from 1893 until 1920 or so, such express trains would have been handled by the newer and more powerful locomotives.
Cheers,
John.

Thanks for that info, John! I was looking for a p8 or s10, but could not find one. I do not have a 4-4-0 yet, and the p4 or s6 may be an option if I can find one.

The T9.3 was built in 1900, so at least it is correct era. I will still be looking for a proper lok in February. I do have some electric loks for Swiss and Swedish passenger sets. I am also getting a Fiat goods lok and will be looking for an NS lok in the future. However, those loks will be on a different layout.
Cheers

 

John,

Looking through the modellbau site, I came across Westmodel. They are quite expensive, but appear to be very detailed. I have a couple of links to a couple of loks, but am uncertain of what a correct lok would be? If you'd be so kind, could you point out what is right - or wrong, about these loks? Thanks!

Westmodel 10076

There was also a 10032 model but I could not find it anywhere for sale.

There is also this Roco model of a P4 that looks like it may be correct. What do you think? Roco 63302

 

QUOTE (Wolferz @ 9 Nov 2016, 12:38) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>John,

Looking through the modellbau site, I came across Westmodel. They are quite expensive, but appear to be very detailed. I have a couple of links to a couple of loks, but am uncertain of what a correct lok would be? If you'd be so kind, could you point out what is right - or wrong, about these loks? Thanks!

Westmodel 10076

There was also a 10032 model but I could not find it anywhere for sale.

There is also this Roco model of a P4 that looks like it may be correct. What do you think? Roco 63302

Hello,

The Roco is from a few years back now. Fleischmann did the same model about two years ago, still some about, but not cheap.
The livery on those is correct AFAIK.

Fleischmann have done several KPEV packs over the years, usually a small loco with 4-6 wagons, sometimes mixed. You may want to hunt down some of these in the second hand dealers. Gebraucht Modelbahn have had them in the past, Seyfried's show one pack that I'm aware of. Seyfried's also have the Brawa G5.4 in the three rail; not sure if they have the two rail version. But at 280 euros...

I only have one KPEV loco (S9). As I am 3-rail in a 2-rail world, my next KPEV will be the ESU T16. It will be hot-swappable between 2 and 3 rail. So I can use it at home and at the lcoal club, once I GMST and join. Lots of features too, lots of euros also (420).
So may be my only purchase for 2017, methinks.

 

Hi Wolferz,
As far as I know,
Westmodel are very, very good indeed! Far be it for me to criticise anything from Herr West!
According to my amateurish attempts to translate the website, the S5.2 you linked to is available as a kit for €640 (Faulhaber drive unmounted) through to a complete ready to run model for €895!
Personally, while I'm quite confident I could actually build the model (& make it run!), the painting and lining would be beyond me so I would go for the finished model! For €255 above the cost of the basic kit - it's well worth it as it may well cost that much or more just for a decent paint job - if you can get anyone to take such a job on.

As an aside, a while back I did buy (s/h from German ebay) a Weinert T13 0-8-0T - which I suspect is of similar quality.
This had evidently been a display case model so it wouldn't work, all the bearings, grease, lubrication etc being seized solid. I stripped it down, cleaned & lubricated it and got it working again then added a 6 pin socket and digitised it! It really is a beauty!

In my very humble opinion, such a model as the S5.2 would be a gem very few others would ever have - even in Germany! And, as an S (schnell zug lok, fast train loco), it has to be eminently suitable for your coaches! Again IMHO, the sort of loco you only get once or twice in a lifetime (unless you're rich!).

I'm guessing that you buy these models from either of the three retail outlets mentioned on the website or direct via email?

The Roco (later Fleischmann?) P4, is I'm sure, a stunning model. Originally a "Platin" (Platinum) model so, the very highest quality that Roco do/did. I'm sure it would be very hard indeed to fault in any way. I never had one but I had their S3/6 which was quite stunning indeed.

Hi Adrian,
How do you rate the lovely looking S9, please?
I have a Fleischmann T16 in KPEV and a Trix BR94.5 in DB and find them excellent models! I was sorely tempted by the ESU version so will be interested to see how you get on with yours (lucky thing!).

Cheers,
John.

PS You can see from my avatar - I love the T16/94.5!

 

Hello,

QUOTE How do you rate the lovely looking S9, please?
In what way? I have always liked the look of it and I bought it when it was heavily discounted. It arrived from Kramm's with one of the headlights dislodged and that aspect sort of undid my enthusiasm. But otherwise, it's still an elegant an unusual loco, in a world dominated by 'Pacifics'.

I'm pretty sure that 6991 did a comprehensive review of this model when it first came out. I'll let you search for the topic...

Finding inexpensive 3-rail prussian locos has been a challenge for me and the S9 remains my only Prussian loco.
It's teamed up with three Brawa 3-axle abteilwagons; a Liliput baggage car; and a Roco 3-axle post wagon.

Wolferz: BW Bahn is showing around five different KPEV packs in stock.
These have a loco and 3-5 peices of rollingstock, depending and what the pack is. Not sure if they are new or used.
The seller is usually very helpful, so an email will possibly address that.

regards

 

QUOTE (Adrian Ross @ 10 Nov 2016, 15:49) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hello,

In what way? I have always liked the look of it and I bought it when it was heavily discounted. It arrived from Kramm's with one of the headlights dislodged and that aspect sort of undid my enthusiasm. But otherwise, it's still an elegant an unusual loco, in a world dominated by 'Pacifics'.

I'm pretty sure that 6991 did a comprehensive review of this model when it first came out. I'll let you search for the topic...

Finding inexpensive 3-rail prussian locos has been a challenge for me and the S9 remains my only Prussian loco.
It's teamed up with three Brawa 3-axle abteilwagons; a Liliput baggage car; and a Roco 3-axle post wagon.

Wolferz: BW Bahn is showing around five different KPEV packs in stock.
These have a loco and 3-5 peices of rollingstock, depending and what the pack is. Not sure if they are new or used.
The seller is usually very helpful, so an email will possibly address that.

regards

Thanks for that Adrian. I followed him so I can keep track of the items.

 

Has this been discussed:

Link to Hatton's second hand KPEV Lok

best regards ............ Greyvoices (alias John)

 

There is also the passenger 2-6-0 from Fleischmann which became Br37 in DRG times. Not sure what P number it is, it preceded the P8. P6 maybe. It is a recent model, i have one and very nice too. in charge of eilzugon my secondary main line.

Andrew

 

Thanks guys. Yes, the P6 became the BR 37 of the DRG according to modellbau-wiki. The T18 doesn't fit my needs. It is AC and a little too beat up, but I thank you for the link!

I am thinking that a P4 or an S6 would fit me best, as I do not have a 4-4-0 as yet. Thanks for all the wonderful help and information!

 

Hi Adrian,

QUOTE I'm pretty sure that 6991 did a comprehensive review of this model when it first came out. I'll let you search for the topic...

Probably not me Adrian, I am mainly Ep 3a/3b - I think it may have been Neil Wood.

Nice looking loco.

Cheers
6991

 

Wolferz - this just came up on special on MSL

http://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/produk...ischmann+481571

There is also DCC - Non-Sound

 

QUOTE (reddo @ 12 Nov 2016, 01:09) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Wolferz - this just came up on special on MSL

http://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/produk...ischmann+481571

There is also DCC - Non-Sound

Wow, that is beautiful Reddo. If I had $500 to put on one I would grab it in a heartbeat. Alas, I only had $100 but in February I'll be adding to my collection!

 

QUOTE (6991 @ 12 Nov 2016, 11:58) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Probably not me Adrian, I am mainly Ep 3a/3b - I think it may have been Neil Wood.

Yep. I realised that after.

 

My Liliput KPEV-LOK T9.3 arrived today. It is a beautiful lok and runs very smoothly. Came from West Midlands.

my KPEV T9.3