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Thoughts on this? Worth pre-ordering?

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Never pre-ordered anything like this before. It looks expensive.... but would this turn out to be a good price in the end?

Anyone else pre-ordered? I'm sort of tempted, but it is a huge sum of money.
 
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Never pre-ordered anything like this before. It looks expensive.... but would this turn out to be a good price in the end?

Anyone else pre-ordered? I'm sort of tempted, but it is a huge sum of money.
I would check out Accurascale

And Bachmann.
Available Now | Deltic Delight - BACHMANN EUROPE NEWS

And a few others before you pre-order a Hornby one, see first what your £ will get you.
 
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I would check out Accurascale
Lol, I ordered an Accurscale one yesterday. :D
 
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Hi Hatt,
Can't really comment on the Pre-Order new model itself, but do have an older version of the DP1, which purchased through Hattons as a s/h model a few years ago now, to go with Kestrel & Lion, its a lovely model & great runner, also very striking in terms of appearance -
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These s/h Bachmann models are still around as an option somewhere nearer the £250 mark perhaps; but obviously not to the same spec as Hornby's new pre-order model.
Anyway, sure you will enjoy the DP1 whichever way you decide to go. Cheers for now, Norm
 
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Never pre-ordered anything like this before. It looks expensive.... but would this turn out to be a good price in the end?

Anyone else pre-ordered? I'm sort of tempted, but it is a huge sum of money.
Also check out RoS. Often you can get New/pre-order Locomotives cheaper at well known retailers than the manufacturers own website.

 
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The image doesn't look like an actual picture of the model itself. More like am artist rendering. You can tell by the glass work. At that price, I would wait till they bring out some realistic images. You have nearly a year to wait, at least. Hornby's track record recently is to cancel projects. Can't wait to see what Sam has to say about it!
 
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Never buy direct from Hornby as you will always pay full RRP. Always purchase from a Retailer who will knock off as much as £40. Also there are times when Retailers to a Flash Sale where you can get up to 40% off. Sign up to Rails Of Sheffield and The Model Centre and you will get emails come through when special offers are on.
 
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Is there any information in terms of the weights of the different models out of interest ?
Can only report on the Bachmann model I own, 615g, and that's ample. Typical of most centre motor with shaft drive to both bogies mechanisms, when tested in original condition this model hauled more stock than the prototype was seen with, 30 Bach mk1s on level track from a realistic creep into dead slow motion, then smoothly and quietly all the way up to scale for 100mph, and it still had more available.
 
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This is an odd combination currently for sale with Clark's -
....... but suppose depends if you are looking for anything in addition to the DP1 perhaps !
Cheers again, Norm
 
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Never pre-ordered anything like this before. It looks expensive.... but would this turn out to be a good price in the end?
I have seen more information on Hornby's diecast body, extra-expensive, DP1 model. It's very heavy by design, exceeding 1kg by report. Lots of features, and comes in three livery versions: as first trialled on the WCML; as then trialled, and subsequently operated on regular service turns on the ECML for 2 years, and exterior appearance once withdrawn from service and preserved in the Science Museum.

My opinion, it's a collector's piece.

Hornby have never produced a drive line for a mechanism carrying this much weight - hopefully the Chinese operation contracted to deliver this model have the know-how based on experience of making similarly heavy centre motor models in HO for the North American market.

The reason behind my suggesting this, is that the sole centre motor twin bogie mechanism from Hornby that I have sampled is their Brush type 2, TOPS 30/31 reported as 450g all up weight, more than enough for traction, and I used salvaged mechanisms to power the superior Airfix GMR Brush 2 bodies. The mechanism failed on two fronts:
first, the brass bars in which the axle ends ran spread outwards until the loco derailed after 2 years operation;
then the clips on top of the gear tower disengaged after 2 to 3 further years operation.

It was possible to fix these weaknesses, and both mechanisms still run very well - acceptable for me who had purchased these mechanisms for next to nothing as they were mazak rotted (which had zero effect on the mechanism) - but just possibly unacceptable for a premium price? Thus I would want to see the mechanism construction in detail before even thinking about a purchase: to ensure that it has been adequately engineered for the proposed all up weight.

And also, as one who often adds weight to RTR OO models in order to deliver adequate traction, my layout has an array of models which place 500 to 600g loads on three closely spaced driven wheels, and this has proved enough to deform the pressed metal point blades of Peco code 100 streamline points if the layout is operated intensively. (And this is also fixable, just another factor it may be useful to be aware of.) Hornby won't think to test for that as they are a 'system brand', and if there is no problem when tested on their set track product, all is well with the world. (Likewise, I have no clue what such a loading might do to set track, as I ceased using it over fifty years ago, superannuated junk that it was back then, and no significant progress evident since. It is only fair to state that I have certain biases from past experience.)

So if you want to run a DP1, the Hornby version might not be ideal. But for those that have strong enough display cabinets, just the ticket.